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Old 05-07-2014, 10:26 AM   #11
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Just to add more variable, tow vehicle weight, design and wheelbase matter. Assuming decent engineering and comparable suspension:

The longer the tow vehicle wheelbase the more stable it is.
The heavier the tow vehicle the more the more stable it is.
The shorter the tow vehicle distance from rear axle to rear bumper the more stable it is.
I agree
The SUVs being considered seem pretty comparable in these aspects, but I think it would be worthwhile to look up actual specs.
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:36 AM   #12
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... there is a table over on the Fiberglass Forum that lists actual weights Trailer Weights in the Real World - Fiberglass RV. It has the 19 as a max total weight of about 3700 with a hitch weight of 450, depending on options and such.
That's a good information source. It does list as-towed weights, so that includes the owners' stuff and fluids, not just the base trailer plus options.

I would avoid calling the highest value in this list a "max" (even though it would literally be the maximum value of a set) because it's not a limit at all - carry more stuff and your trailer will be heavier, and you are allowed (by Escape's ratings) to do that.

Escape 19's in that list range from as little as 3130 pounds to as much as 3980 pounds:

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ITEM_LENGTH_MAKE_______MODEL_____AXLE__TONGUE__ __TOTAL

61___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____2670_____460_____3130
62___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____2920_____220_____3140
98___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3305_____450_____3755
99___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3440_____360_____3800
101__19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3620_____240_____3860
106__19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3740_____240_____3980
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:41 AM   #13
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A full frame SUV is going to be more stable.
Why? The suspension matters, the weight matters, and the wheelbase and track matter, but how does the structural design make the vehicle combination more stable?
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:10 AM   #14
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Thanks for all your comments Brian. You have provided me with some good information and perspectives. Much appreciated!
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:13 AM   #15
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Yes the listed dry weight of a 19 ft is 2500 lbs. that is not the weight that matters. Our 19 loaded for a week is around 3700 lbs. Although I have not weighed it empty, by the time you add propane, batteries, a/c and the storage box if you have one. I susspect the actual weight ( Before ) you add water, food and gear is closer to 3000 lbs. The one item to remember is the mass and length of the tow vehicle have a direct effect on how stable it will be going down the road in heavy winds or when a semi truck or a large bus blows by you in the passing lane.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:20 PM   #16
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Thanks Dave
As a Escape 19 owner you offer a "real world" perspective. Any comment on the choice of Jeep Grand Cherokee vs Toyota Highlander as a tow vehicle?
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:10 PM   #17
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Have a '13 Highlander pulling a 17B. Just went to Death Valley and Tuolumne in Yosemite. Wouldn't want to pull anything heavier personally.
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:19 PM   #18
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Having to go a little slower, once in a while, isn't a bad thing.
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:24 PM   #19
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Have a '13 Highlander pulling a 17B. Just went to Death Valley and Tuolumne in Yosemite. Wouldn't want to pull anything heavier personally.
Interesting thing - We just went from a 17B to a 21, towing with a Chev Trailblazer I6.
Even though the 21 is ~1000 pounds heavier, I don't notice significant difference in the tow. Gas mileage is down, but starting, accelerating & stopping seem similar so far.
Were traveling over 3 Cascade mountain passes next week, so we'll see if I change my tune after that.
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:58 PM   #20
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It's the downhill Glenn; I was using 3rd gear and downhill control and still was using brakes more than I would like. Acceleration and stability was fine. Maybe its just my nervous system, but I felt at the limit of comfort.
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