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Old 02-10-2018, 06:48 PM   #11
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oh yeah, my Tacoma is NOT my daily driver, although it would do OK as one since I don't have a commute.... but for cruising around town, I usually take my 1993 Mercedes cabriolet
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:54 PM   #12
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Escape's website lists 3200# and 360# tongue weight.
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These weights are base weights and will increase with options and your personal items.
Just to clarify, those are the base (no options) and dry (no fluids) weights: 360 pounds on the hitch, included in a total of 3200 pounds (actually 3210 pounds in the published spec) for the whole trailer.

As Jim suggests, the only thing which is absolutely certain is that the trailer will weigh significantly more than this by the time it is equipped and loaded for travel.

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The max for the 21 is 5000# so your tow vehicle should be rate minimum for that number.
This is the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), which is the maximum which you are allowed to load the trailer up to. This is a limit set by the manufacturer, but if you pile more stuff in there is no alarm which will inform you of your error.

You don't need to allow for 5000 pounds of trailer if you will never load it that heavily, but it is not unreasonably beyond a typical gross (loaded) weight, so in this case the GVWR does seem like a reasonable planning value to me.

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hmm? my late 2014 21' has a gross trailer weight of 2090 kg (4600 lbs).
Yes, but the GVWR was increased; it is now published as 5000 pounds.

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'wet' weight (nothing in the trailer, but full water and propane) is about 3800 lbs.
Since there isn't 790 pounds of water and propane, I assume that this is the as-equipped (with options) and fluids weight of John's trailer... a good example of typical 21's.

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My 2017 Escape 21 with many options including 2 solar panels packed for an 8 month trip weighs 4600 trailer & 460 tongue (lbs).
This is an example of a gross weight (that is, actual trailer with options, plus fluids, plus cargo)... this is the weight to plan on towing (although your weight would only be the same as this if you had the same options and carried the same stuff). This is the value which must not exceed the GVWR.

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My 2014 Escape 21 weighs about 4400 pounds loaded with my stuff and with the fresh water tank full. I can't give you the precise weight right now because I don't have the info handy. I believe that the newer Escape 21's empty weight is greater than mine's.
Another good gross weight example, but Mike's right... a 21-foot after the 2016 design change is heavier than a similarly equipped earlier 21-foot.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:14 PM   #13
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Here is another data point for you: our 2017 21', loaded for travel, like Jon's, weighs +/- 4600 lbs with a tongue weight of about 460 lbs. When we were looking at tow vehicles, what I found was that, especially with SUV's, the tow vehicle payload capacity was most often the limiting factor. I notice, though, that the Sorrento has a pretty good payload rating for an SUV. No direct experience (we tow with a GMC Canyon), but I'd guess that the Kia would be an ok tow for your 21 as long as you aren't in a big hurry.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:58 PM   #14
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I notice, though, that the Sorrento has a pretty good payload rating for an SUV.
Yes, I noticed that too. With the 3.3L V6 and AWD, the payload capacity can reach about 1275 lbs. Not too bad for a mid sized SUV. While it's higher than most in it's class, it's needed it if you intend to tow a 21 with it.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:16 AM   #15
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Since there isn't 790 pounds of water and propane, I assume that this is the as-equipped (with options) and fluids weight of John's trailer... a good example of typical 21's.
indeed. mine has the 160W solar panel, the big fridge/freezer, the oven, the enhanced insulation and double pane windows, and underside foam... also has the front storage box.

28 gallons of water is 235 lbs, plus 40 lbs of propane makes 275 lbs.
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I was looking at the Sorrento also, but not after I found out that the max tongue weight is only 360 lbs. This is documented in the Owners Manual for years 2018, 2014, 2015, 2016.

For safety and handling, you should have 10-15% of gross trailer weight on the tongue. No way 360lbs will be sufficient. Suggest you look at the Highlander or Santa Fe instead.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:18 AM   #17
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I was able to download and read the owners manual for the 2018 Sorento. It does say the maximum tongue weight is 350lbs. You'd also have to get AWD for the 5000lb rating, as well as the V-6.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:36 AM   #18
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My 2017 Escape 21 with many options including 2 solar panels packed for an 8 month trip weighs 4600 trailer & 460 tongue (lbs). I'm overweight on the Tacoma by 150 lbs, well under tow weight, and get 10 - 11 MPG. I'll be looking for a bigger truck...
As Jon points out, the TACO with a v-6 can tow the trailer but it is at it's max and the gas is suffering. A bigger tow with bigger motor and brakes, etc. will tow with less effort and your mileage should improve.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:30 AM   #19
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I was able to download and read the owners manual for the 2018 Sorento. It does say the maximum tongue weight is 350lbs. You'd also have to get AWD for the 5000lb rating, as well as the V-6.
I would call Kia and confirm the maximum tongue weight. Some of the documentation from Kia says 350lbs and some says 500lbs. [U][I][B] Kia Sorento AWD 6-cylinder with tow package: towing capacity 5000 lbs with tongue weight 500 lbs (Owner's Manual p. 5-104). 2017 Kia Sorento AWD 6-cylinder with tow package: towing capac.
I'm not sure why there is a discrepancy but I would absolutely want to confirm with Kia before making a decision.

It seems with every thread about tow vehicles there are a lot of strong opinions posted. (What's the best truck, what's the best engine, can you tow with a mid sized SUV). Obviously not everyone agrees with each other and that's a good thing, as we get to consider different points of view. However, the one thing I think everyone would agree with is that you must stay within all the manufacturer's weight limits. If any of the weights are out of range then you should not consider that vehicle.
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However, the one thing I think everyone would agree with is that you must stay within all the manufacturer's weight limits. If any of the weights are out of range then you should not consider that vehicle.
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