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Old 02-03-2015, 01:31 PM   #151
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One thing to keep in mind relative to tow capacity is that the vehicles with factory tow package will typically have a greater tow rating. For example, a Toyota Tacoma V6 DC with factory tow has a rating of 6,400 lbs vs 3,500 lbs without. You can certainly add the tow components (hitch, oil, and transmission coolers), but you will not change the rating.
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Old 02-03-2015, 03:24 PM   #152
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Excellent point. This fact has been covered in prior threads however is a good reminder to those just beginning to look for TV's.
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:49 AM   #153
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Nobody mentioned the Ford Escape Titaninum. 3500 lbs tow rating. Or the Flex, @ 4500 tow rating.
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:18 AM   #154
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Nobody mentioned the Ford Escape Titaninum. 3500 lbs tow rating. Or the Flex, @ 4500 tow rating.
The Ford made my "two-dozen" list, then the "top-ten" list, and I actually went to the local Ford dealer, looked at the one they had with the tow package, and talked with sales and with service. It dropped off my list because of price #1. You have to pay (lots) for frills and options you don't want to get what you do. Tow package is on the top-of-the-frills line.
They're relying on the I4 - turbo, 2 liter; you can't get the V6.
I did not want to deal with the long-term maintenance and reliability of a turbocharger that will be running at high load. (I've seen an engine with a blown turbocharger; it's not pretty).
Service could not even find the tow package info in their documents. YMMV.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:33 AM   #155
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Nobody mentioned the Ford Escape Titaninum. 3500 lbs tow rating. Or the Flex, @ 4500 tow rating.
Not touching this one with a 30 foot frontal area stick!
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:46 AM   #156
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Ellen:
By now you've obviously gotten many opinions and much advice. A couple of things that you may want to keep in mind are: 1. while it may be overly conservative, the
recommendation that you maintain a 20% margin from the tow vehicle's tow rating is worth remembering. For our 2008 Toyota 4Runner, which has a rating of 5,000 lb. total and 500 lb. tongue weight, with the 20% margin, the net amounts are 4,000 lb. and 400 lb. tongue wt. 2. Actual weights of all trailers are often significantly heavier than "dry" weights provided by the trailer manufacturer. In fact, using data from the Fiberglass RV forum thread (and a few other sources), the average measured weight of 17Bs arriving at various events was total 2,981 lb. and 371 tongue wt. (N=10). Since we are committed to our 4Runner for (at least) the near future, we chose a 17B to remain within its towing limits (with 20% margin). The actual weights of the Casita 17s and the Escape 19 are too heavy for our 4Runner. While I know that other people are apparently towing closer to their TV rated capacity, we are not comfortable doing so. You may wish to consider these factors a you make your TV decision. I would suggest buying a vehicle that meets your everyday needs while being sure that it has adequate towing capacity to comfortably (and safely) tow the 17B.
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:15 PM   #157
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I strongly suggest using real weights compared to actual limits, rather than base/dry spec weights and an arbitrary fraction of the tug's limits.
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Old 02-04-2015, 04:20 PM   #158
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I strongly suggest using real weights compared to actual limits, rather than base/dry spec weights and an arbitrary fraction of the tug's limits.
Spot on. Published numbers are one thing -- real weights are another.

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while it may be overly conservative, the recommendation that you maintain a 20% margin from the tow vehicle's tow rating is worth remembering.
I agree, but real numbers are more useful.
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Yes, Ford certainly makes it hard to buy their vehicles the way you might want them, as opposed to how they prefer to sell them. Making someone buy the premium "Titanium" package just to get the towing package...and they aren't officially rated for 3500 lbs unless you get their towing package, putting aftermarket hitches on doesn't count...is just plain greedy. That being said, over on the FGRV site a while back there was quite a discussion concerning the Ford Escape, with most folks that purchased one pretty happy overall with the performance, both towing and otherwise.

On another note, the 20% margin that is often quoted, as in get at least 20% more capacity in your tow vehicle than your trailer weighs, is either too much or not enough, depending on how you are going to use it. If someone has in mind touring the US and/or Canadian Rockies, then that might not be enough if they are the type that are bothered by having to pull into the slow lane and hang out with the semi's while ascending high altitude grades. Personally, if I have to slow down for a grade, that's not a problem for me, but some folks really want to proceed up mountains like they aren't pulling a trailer. 20% most likely won't be enough cushion for them.

But on the other hand, if one lives and plans to only be towing on gentle sea level grades, recommending 20% extra capacity just seems wasteful. One of the major reasons people get interested in these fiberglass wonders is that they are light and don't necessarily need a big tow vehicle.

I guess I'm trying to say, think about how and where you plan to tow before considering how much extra (or not) towing capacity you may need.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:59 PM   #160
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Spot on. Published numbers are one thing -- real weights are another.



I agree, but real numbers are more useful.
I picked up my 17B today and according to ETI's “Certificate of Origin For A Trailer” it weighed in at 2725 lbs, that's with all the additions such as A/C, Solar, thermal window & extra insulation, etc,etc. The dual propane tanks are filled but there is no water in the tanks.

(Oh - can I say it towed like a dream?)
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