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Old 12-18-2014, 01:43 AM   #21
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I am trying to get into the habit of checking the brake controller ( to make sure I am connected ), every time I approach a brake check pull out for truckers.
I usually remember about 200 feet past where I can exit.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:13 AM   #22
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Brian, you hit on a key point. While the smaller SUV types are capable of towing a 17 (provided of course that their towing capacity is at least 3500 lbs), they usually suffer in the gas mileage department when doing so. Great when not towing, not so great with the trailer. I would say that there is a difference between body-on-frame vs unibody in towing that has nothing to do with capacities (although frame based towing capacities are usually higher for similar sized vehicles), and that difference is in the towing experience. For me, towing with a frame based vehicle just feels more confident.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:01 AM   #23
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Along with Glenn, I tow a 17B with a RAV4 Sport, a 2010 with tow package. I weight the trailer before each trip, and with 2 full propane tanks, a lightly loaded front storage box & a pair of 6V batteries on the rear bumper, the trailer weighs between 3000 & 3020 pounds, with 345 pounds on the tongue.

The RAV4 gets 25MPG highway, 21MPG around town, and 15MPG towing. The towing figure is averaged over 56,000 miles. I usually drive secondary roads & top speed is 60MPH (usually 57MPH).

As to braking, the RAV4 has 4 wheel disk brakes, and while I sure appreciate the trailer brakes, I have driven & stopped the combination without the brakes (a popped connector) and was surprised by how well the RAV4's brakes handled it (for those familiar with the area, down the hill on CA 62 between Joshua Tree & I 10).

What I like - good non towing mileage, plenty of power, a reasonable amount of inside storage space. What I don't like - small gas tank which can make for some hairy tows with headwinds in the southwest, and no outside storage that would be available in a pickup for wet or messy stuff. Overall, I'm happy with the combination.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:12 PM   #24
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Brian, you hit on a key point. While the smaller SUV types are capable of towing a 17 (provided of course that their towing capacity is at least 3500 lbs), they usually suffer in the gas mileage department when doing so. Great when not towing, not so great with the trailer. I would say that there is a difference between body-on-frame vs unibody in towing that has nothing to do with capacities (although frame based towing capacities are usually higher for similar sized vehicles), and that difference is in the towing experience. For me, towing with a frame based vehicle just feels more confident.
I think which has been mentioned before , the tow vehicle should have extra capacity beyond your needs just in case . I have had some scary moments on the road pulling a tent trailer . You need to be able to stop what is behind you in a emergency . Also pulling trailer behind you going up and down mountains is a lot different then going on the flats . Extra room in towing capacity, brakes , heavy duty trans , cooling etc. is a lot easier on your engine . You will pay for more fuel costs but I believe less wear and tear on your tow vehicle .what ever you decide have fun and safe travels .
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:42 PM   #25
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Along with Glenn, I tow a 17B with a RAV4 Sport, a 2010 with tow package. I weight the trailer before each trip, and with 2 full propane tanks, a lightly loaded front storage box & a pair of 6V batteries on the rear bumper, the trailer weighs between 3000 & 3020 pounds, with 345 pounds on the tongue.

The RAV4 gets 25MPG highway, 21MPG around town, and 15MPG towing. The towing figure is averaged over 56,000 miles. I usually drive secondary roads & top speed is 60MPH (usually 57MPH).

As to braking, the RAV4 has 4 wheel disk brakes, and while I sure appreciate the trailer brakes, I have driven & stopped the combination without the brakes (a popped connector) and was surprised by how well the RAV4's brakes handled it (for those familiar with the area, down the hill on CA 62 between Joshua Tree & I 10).

What I like - good non towing mileage, plenty of power, a reasonable amount of inside storage space. What I don't like - small gas tank which can make for some hairy tows with headwinds in the southwest, and no outside storage that would be available in a pickup for wet or messy stuff. Overall, I'm happy with the combination.
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Are these numbers from a truck scale? The reason I ask is that when I got weighed this year in Montana at a truck scale on I90, my numbers were 3800 and 500 on the tongue, which gives me a total 4300# gross weight. Your numbers would appear to also be similar and if so your gross weight is 3365#. That is less than 150# approaching your 3500# limit for your hitch is it not? My hitch is rated 5000# so I'm 700 lbs free, so to speak.
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:52 PM   #26
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:58 PM   #27
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If he weighed the trailer, unattached to the tow, the tongue weight would already be included.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:46 PM   #28
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Thanks for the good info, Jon. I had been looking into a RAV4--was pretty much set on it but then got nervous because of the 3500 max (on RAV4's 2012 and older). Someone I spoke to at EI suggested planning on 4000#. But now I'm thinking that isn't a big issue.

I love everything else about it -- size, gas mileage (and now reading about the quality of the brakes) and though I've never had a Toyota, know it has an excellent reputation.

Oh, so much to figure out. Fortunately, I have several more months.
But thanks to the input from this forum, I think I have it narrowed down to RAV4, Honda Pilot, Tacoma TRD4L.

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Along with Glenn, I tow a 17B with a RAV4 Sport, a 2010 with tow package. I weight the trailer before each trip, and with 2 full propane tanks, a lightly loaded front storage box & a pair of 6V batteries on the rear bumper, the trailer weighs between 3000 & 3020 pounds, with 345 pounds on the tongue.

The RAV4 gets 25MPG highway, 21MPG around town, and 15MPG towing. The towing figure is averaged over 56,000 miles. I usually drive secondary roads & top speed is 60MPH (usually 57MPH).

As to braking, the RAV4 has 4 wheel disk brakes, and while I sure appreciate the trailer brakes, I have driven & stopped the combination without the brakes (a popped connector) and was surprised by how well the RAV4's brakes handled it (for those familiar with the area, down the hill on CA 62 between Joshua Tree & I 10).

What I like - good non towing mileage, plenty of power, a reasonable amount of inside storage space. What I don't like - small gas tank which can make for some hairy tows with headwinds in the southwest, and no outside storage that would be available in a pickup for wet or messy stuff. Overall, I'm happy with the combination.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:52 PM   #29
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To everyone who has posted:

When I received the email notification about a reply to my post, I didn't realize there had been SO MANY, thought there had been only the one. Yikes, sorry!

I haven't had a chance to read all the messages and must leave for work very shortly. But will read and absorb by tomorrow, hopefully.

Thank you to everyone!!!
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:05 PM   #30
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I am trying to get into the habit of checking the brake controller ( to make sure I am connected ), every time I approach a brake check pull out for truckers.
I usually remember about 200 feet past where I can exit.
Good idea Glenn. On our last trip one of the brake wires on the trailer broke unbeknown to me. I found out when I had to do very fast stop from somebody turning in front of me and felt the trailer pull hard to one side. Took me a while and stopping experiments to figure out what was going on. I had to turn up the force on the brake controller until I got home and got it fixed.
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