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Old 10-01-2013, 12:22 AM   #11
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At least the suspension of the Frontier 4X4 is beefy enough it doesn't need helper springs or air bags like our original GMC Sierra Sht. Box P.U. did.
That's "short box", right? As a former GM pickup owner, that's not how I read "Sht. Box" the first time...

I agree, suspension does not seem to be the issue for these Frontiers. On the other hand, if all a truck needs is air bags, that's not a huge deal.
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That's "short box", right? As a former GM pickup owner, that's not how I read "Sht. Box" the first time...

I agree, suspension does not seem to be the issue for these Frontiers. On the other hand, if all a truck needs is air bags, that's not a huge deal.
Hi: Brian B-P... You see "i", I see "or". It was both. Didn't have enough power to pull itself up a hill without downshifting. Wimpy springs even with helpers. Alf
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:10 PM   #13
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Hi: Brian B-P... You see "i", I see "or". It was both. Didn't have enough power to pull itself up a hill without downshifting. Wimpy springs even with helpers. Alf
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Hi, I started considering a GMC/Chevrolet 1500/Sierra/Silverado for towing a 19'. I would get the 5.3L v8. Which engine did you have that s*cked? j
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Hi, I started considering a GMC/Chevrolet 1500/Sierra/Silverado for towing a 19'. I would get the 5.3L v8. Which engine did you have that s*cked? j
Hi: jamie beers... It was the 4.3L V6 with the tow/ haul trans. We really love the Nissan Frontier 4L V6. 6300 tow cap. too. Alf
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I know that Escape has not posted any specs regarding the new 5.0 tandem. Do you think a Frontier will be able to tow it or will it need a V8? Not ready to buy but thinking ahead for what kind of tow vehicle I would need. Can always just wait until more information is available...

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I know that Escape has not posted any specs regarding the new 5.0 tandem. Do you think a Frontier will be able to tow it or will it need a V8? Not ready to buy but thinking ahead for what kind of tow vehicle I would need. Can always just wait until more information is available...

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Hi:Jfocallag... I sure hope a Frontier can tow a 5.0 tandem...as I'm planning on it!!! I believe IMHO with a tandem axle for balance and a few extra pounds it should do ok. Alf
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I know that Escape has not posted any specs regarding the new 5.0 tandem. Do you think a Frontier will be able to tow it or will it need a V8?
I think the challenge with a mid-size truck such as the Frontier (or Tacoma) is in handling the pin (hitch) weight in combination with the weight of passengers and cargo in the truck. Total combination weight rating doesn't seem to be the issue, so more engine is not required and would not help; if the Frontier is not enough, a bigger engine is not the answer, but the bigger truck would likely also have a bigger engine. A V8 is certainly not required; a V6 (EcoBoost) Ford F150 has the power and combined weight rating to pull two Escape 5.0's.

By the way, if a Frontier is not enough to handle the pin weight, then "full size" North American "half ton" pickup (Ram 1500, Chev/GMC 1500, Ford F-150) may not be enough either, based on the experience of people using those trucks to pull the heavier conventional moulded fiberglass travel trailers.

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I believe IMHO with a tandem axle for balance and a few extra pounds it should do ok.
The position of the axle(s) determines the weight on the hitch, not the number of axles. Perhaps the basis of this expectation of a different balance is that a tandem-axle trailer is more stable so it can be set up with a lower hitch weight (pin weight in this case) and still be stable? The theory makes sense, but I have not seen any indication that Escape is doing this.
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Hi: Jfocallag... I'm not sure the exact dynamics of the new 5.0 Tandem. Did the trailer stretch towards the rear or did the axles move towards the front? I do know the door went forwards.
Pin weight of a fifth wheel should be in the 15-25% of total trailer weight. Last time I weighed our 5.0 the axle weight was 2860#s and the pin wt. was 780#s= 3640 total. Moving some things off the front bed to the rear dinette changed that. There was still allowance for my wife and I.
I just might have to go on that New Years resolution diet with the Escape Hatch II. Alf
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... I'm not sure the exact dynamics of the new 5.0 Tandem. Did the trailer stretch towards the rear or did the axles move towards the front? I do know the door went forwards.
Since the new 5.0 is derived from the 21 Foot (not the 17 Foot like the original 5.0) plus a nose adapted from the original 5.0, it might be easier to guess the weight distribution by adding to the 21'... but it would be a wild guess either way.

If you want to judge from photos, use the midpoint between the wheels or hubs as the axle position.

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Pin weight of a fifth wheel should be in the 15-25% of total trailer weight.
While that's typical practice, I don't know of any physical reason why this should be the "right" proportion. Fifth-wheel semi-trailers have about half of their load on the fifth wheel, but the trailer shoukd be stable with less than 10% on the hitch if the mass isn't excessively distributed toward the ends.

If Reace wants to keep this model usable by owners of mid-size trucks such as the Frontier, it will need a lower (than Alf's 21%) fraction of its weight on the pin. I think the wide forward body which forces the hitch away from the cab risks making it unusable with the shorter boxes, even if it has no more pin weight than the original 5.0.
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I am just at the beginning of my research so I am not yet fully educated on what it takes to tow a 5th wheel. I saw a 5.0 at the spring NOG this year and it became an option for when I want to upgrade from my teardrop. One of the things that appealed to me was that it could be towed by a frontier of similar size vehicle.

I like the looks of the the new 5.0 but am now concerned that it may have gotten too big for my comfort. I am hoping to get a look at Donna's sometime this summer.

Forgive my questions, I just like to dream. I am still far from the point of buying.
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