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Old 08-01-2012, 03:31 PM   #11
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

From here:
http://www.allpar.com/model/m/cargo-van.html

I found payload was listed at 1500 lbs for the models equipped with the smaller 3.3L engine.
Obviously I can safely say that my van would have at least that capacity, but likely more.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:44 PM   #12
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

Tongue weight was a bit difficult to fine, but from here:
http://www.justanswer.com/dodge/2bd4...d-caravan.html
(It's a VERY comprehensive list of specs for the van.)

My van's tongue weight will fall on the upper scale of between 335-380 lbs.
Again based on that 4 passengers* notation.

I still can't find axle ratings though...
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:49 PM   #13
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

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There is quite a difference between dry &

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Since you don't already have the trailer you might want to check Frederick's "Real World Trailer Weights" at the Fiberglass Forum.
Thanks for that link!
Some of the 19's did come under the 3500# mark, but most seemed to be just below 4000#.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:50 PM   #14
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

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Can you get an after market transmission cooler installed?
The van already has a tranny cooler. I guess I could get a larger unit, but I think the benefit of doing that would probably be minimal...
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:58 PM   #15
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

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Personally, with a 19 I would not go with any less than a 4,500 to 5,000 lb rating, especially if you carry lots of weight. If you plan any mountainous routes, with your van you would not take the hills very good, and even on flat ground where good acceleration may be needed, it won't be there.

Also take into account the weight carried inside the vehicle, including occupants and the tongue weight of the trailer.

If your weights are all within the manufacturers guidelines, you can still safety tow on moderate terrain. Your performance will be definitely affected.
I have taken the weights of the occupants and our gear inside the van into account - but just estimates based on past cross-country trips. Granted with the trailer, the amount and weight of stuff inside the van would definitely decrease. I would likely weigh the whole setup with lots of stuff loaded in the van and then re-weigh with the same stuff transferred to the trailer. This would help to make sure I have the gear in the most appropriate position.

And our trips between Windsor, ON and here in AB cover pretty flat ground. I'm not saying my family wouldn't get into the mountains, but it wouldn't be our regular route and wouldn't occur very often.

As for our accelerating abilities, I would definitely have an eye out for where and when I'd be able to merge in with other traffic. I actually feel I'm pretty competent in looking ahead in traffic and planning my moves early on.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:04 PM   #16
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

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I look at the issue from $ view. If I am going to $20K for a quality camping trailer then to protect that investment I am going to purchase the best vehicle I can to move that trailer. This has slowed my purchase of an Escape trailer much further that I am happy with, but when I do get there I will be able to camp and travel safely. All things considered the family's safety should not be compromised. It does not need to be a new vehicle just sized right for the job.
I definitely agree that my family's safety is priority #1, that's pretty much why I started this thread. The question really is, if towing at or near 100% capacity of the van, am I actually creating a hazard? If so, then I'll have to eliminate the 19' from my possible trailer choices.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:08 PM   #17
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Alf do you know that owner? or if they are a member here? Thought they would be good info for the Adam.
Definitely!
And that was another reason to start this thread - hopefully I could speak directly with people with the same vehicle/trailer setup that I am looking at.
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Old 08-01-2012, 05:04 PM   #18
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

Hi, Adam Blaster,
As soon as I see a towing capacity of 3600 or the more common 3500 lbs., I know it is not sufficient for a 19'. As you say, you are required to subtract whatever you load up your vehicle with besides 2 people and some luggage. That will put your actual towing capacity a few hundred pounds lower, closer to 3000.

As the two Jims said, you are limited to a 17' with that vehicle as you should have a towing capacity of 4500 to 5000. It is not a matter of towing on the edge or right at the capacity as it seems certain that you would be just plain overweight from the get-go. Of course, there are people who do that because they never took the loaded weight into account.

A 19' can be towed with just about anything but if you want to have the numbers for safety, they do not add up right in this case. Also, as Jim mentioned, should you have an accident, there is legal liability. I can assure you that the first thing that will be looked at is those numbers and possibly even by your own insurance company to avoid payments. I don't know if anyone has had that problem but I don't want to find out.

In any case, using your own numbers, you can see that you do not have the capacity there. If you just want people to tell you to go ahead, there are plenty of them! Hope you can get something else for a TV that will meet the capacity requirements.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:06 PM   #19
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

The issue of the "real world" numbers is definitely something that I'm ignorant of.
I'm thinking in my head of the additional equipment that isn't included in that ~ 2500lb figure - awning, spare tire, propane, etc.
I imagine that optional equipment and fluids/gases would probably add a couple hundred pounds, and that would be prior to me putting any of my family's possessions in it. Am I right in thinking that?
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Re: Towing a 19' with my Dodge minivan?

You could take that 2500 lbs and jump it up to 3700 lbs. immediately. There are very few 19's in existence so only a few people have actually given their loaded weight. It could be 3500 but then it could be 4000. 3700 is probably an average of what we have seen. That would be with some fluids such as some propane but not a full water tank which you should not travel with (even if boondocking you could probably find some water relatively close to your destination, and the same may be the case with propane for most people). I don't know if true or not but I understand that the front box was mostly made with the low (dangerous) tongue weight that some people were coming to rallies with, partly because they would travel with full water tanks. The filled-up box or just the batteries in it takes care of that tongue weight (not that it doesn't need to be checked so that it is not the opposite.)

I would expect that you would have a few hundred pounds in the vehicle which will lower the towing capacity. Invariably people find other things to buy once they have the trailer and, oh yes, some of them weigh plenty. Electric tongue jack, generator, a little boat, the new big dog or whatever they now have to have, and they had made no allowance for another thing. Whatever pounds you count now, for sure you will actually be heavier than that.

At least you are looking at it and checking the numbers and aware that the loaded weight is what counts. Good for you!

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