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Old 01-26-2015, 08:19 PM   #1
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Towing a 5.0 TA with a Tacoma - thoughts?

We are ordering a 5.0 TA for Sept delivery and currently have a 2013 Tacoma, double cab, short bed with tow package. We are wondering if anyone out there has a Tacoma with similar specs towing a 5.0 TA and/or what your thoughts are about towing up and down all the hills we will be seeing in our travels or should we be considering getting a different tow vehicle?
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Member named Alf of Ontario tows with a Nissan Frontier, similar vehicle, he may chime in soon.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:56 PM   #3
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Charlie & Lucy, I too just ordered a 5.0TA and did not even have a truck. After asking around (many, many people) I chose a Tundra over the Tacoma. Reason? While the Tacoma might (repeat 'might') be able to handle the load in the mountains from year to year (I keep a car/truck for many years), the Tundra definitely will not have a problem. I just as soon not put the stress on a Tacoma motor. Just my personal preference.
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If you are willing to get another tow vehicle then there's no reason not to try out the Taco, if you find it struggles then you get the replacement. The only thing you'll lose is the cost of installing the hitch and the vehicle specific frame brackets you'll be tossing away. It is a bit light on the payload side.
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Old 01-26-2015, 09:53 PM   #5
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We are ordering a 5.0 TA for Sept delivery and currently have a 2013 Tacoma, double cab, short bed with tow package. We are wondering if anyone out there has a Tacoma with similar specs towing a 5.0 TA and/or what your thoughts are about towing up and down all the hills we will be seeing in our travels or should we be considering getting a different tow vehicle?
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Well, as an owner of a 2013 Tacoma extended cab, long box I can tell you that I was very close to buying a 5.0 (not 5 TA) a while back but after running all the numbers for weight I ended up with less than 100 pounds of cargo carrying capacity - and that's with an empty trailer and only the driver and one passenger. You have to factor in the pin weight, weight of hitch, liquid weight, etc. and the Tacoma rated CCC and you will see what I mean. That, and the 5 TA has an even heavier pin weight. No way would I do it with a Tacoma, even if all I drove on were flat highways, which you've indicated is not your intended use. I think the Frontier has a slightly heavier CCC, but it's up to you as it will be marginal at best.

I know people have done it and continue to do it, and I'm sure the Tacoma would handle the load, but you will absolutely not be legal - at least not in Canada. Also, I confirmed with Toyota that they would not honour any warranty issues related to the 5th wheel hitch attachment (rust, damage, etc) as it must be bolted through the box and directly to the frame.

This is just my opinion(backed up with Tacoma specifications) and I mean no disrespect whatsoever to anyone using the Tacoma for the fifth wheel - but I would advise going for a full size p/u and you'll never have anything to worry about.

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Old 01-26-2015, 10:22 PM   #6
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See my thread on Frontal Area. I bought a 2013 Highlander one year ago for my 17B then decided to get a 21 in May. It was agonizing but decided to go full size. No regrets.
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I know people have done it and continue to do it, and I'm sure the Tacoma would handle the load, but you will absolutely not be legal - at least not in Canada.
Canada or elsewhere, if the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating or Gross Axle Weight Rating (front or rear, but the rear would likely be the issue) is exceeded then the rig is not road legal. I agree this requires careful consideration with any potential truck - I have seen full-size truck owners (particularly Ram 1500 and Chev/GM Silverado 1500) run into these limits even with a conventional Escape-sized trailer.

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Also, I confirmed with Toyota that they would not honour any warranty issues related to the 5th wheel hitch attachment (rust, damage, etc) as it must be bolted through the box and directly to the frame.
Wouldn't this be the same for the Tundra, or any vehicle with a hitch not installed by the dealer or at the factory? They're all bolted to the frame... although in some cases it can be done without drilling holes.
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Charlie, if your vehicle has a published towing capacity within the numbers for the 5.0 TA, then it will work. Will it be as pleasant a tow experience as with a full size truck? No. Personally I like having the extra margin in towing capacity and vehicle payload. I also like knowing that grades are not a problem. Tow vehicles are a touchy subject with many and much of the chatter is a matter of preference and not capability. If it were me, I'd go with something bigger.
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Charlie, if your vehicle has a published towing capacity within the numbers for the 5.0 TA, then it will work.
... unless the rear axle is overloaded by the combination of the rear axle's share of passengers, cargo, and pin weight. Or if the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is exceeded by the combination of the trucks curb weight plus passengers, cargo, and pin weight. Both of those can happen even if the trailer is within the maximum trailer weight limit. The issue, compared to conventional trailers such as the Escape 21', is the high hitch (pin) weight typical of fifth-wheel setups.
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... unless the rear axle is overloaded by the combination of the rear axle's share of passengers, cargo, and pin weight. Or if the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is exceeded by the combination of the trucks curb weight plus passengers, cargo, and pin weight. Both of those can happen even if the trailer is within the maximum trailer weight limit. The issue, compared to conventional trailers such as the Escape 21', is the high hitch (pin) weight typical of fifth-wheel setups.
Well I agree of course that you need to keep all the numbers in line -- including the TV's cargo and passenger capacity. Considering that a taco's cargo capacity is pretty light to begin with, towing a 5er doesn't leave enough of a margin for my liking.
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