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Old 03-18-2014, 09:15 PM   #111
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I would not consider 4300ft to be a high elevation road A lot of the valley floors in Idaho are 5k to 6k ft with the highest paved pass being 8700ft. Once you head to Utah or Colorado things get even worse.

Teton pass going from Idaho to Wyoming tops out at 8500ft, but the grade is 10%.

A lot depends on location, but I imagine pulling a 21 over some of these passes with a 4runner would be a struggle.
Excellent info. Apparently we get away easy in the B.C. and Alberta mountains. In areas that involve those elevations, I agree it is more of an issue. One would need to accept lower performance, or select a non-boosted engine which has lots of excess power at low elevation (not necessarily excess tow rating), or select a turbo engine that is less sensitive to elevation.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:17 AM   #112
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Old 03-19-2014, 01:36 AM   #113
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I'm the OP of this thread which now has 110-plus postings, and the responses have been a much appreciated mother lode of towing information.

Honestly, I do have a life apart from the "which tow vehicle" question, but today I had an hour to kill and visited a Toyota dealership where the salesman I spoke with had a good awareness of the towing capabilities and characteristics of the Toyota line.

Instead of telling him I owned a 4L V6 4Runner, I just quoted Reace's 4300 pound weight estimate for a loaded Escape 21 and asked which Toyota model he would recommend to tow that trailer safely and without undue wear on the TV.

His first response was the 4Runner (music to my ears), but he went on to describe why the Tacoma with tow package would be a better choice for some owners.

He believes the Tacoma's tow rating is higher than the similarly powered and geared 4Runner's because the truck's transmission fluid cooler, engine oil cooler, and heavy duty alternator mean that challenging conditions like hot weather and steep grades would take less of a toll on the engine, transmission, and other components. There's also a technology called "Trailer Sway Control", which Toyota claims improves stability. He also believes the substantially longer wheelbase helps keep the Tacoma in charge of whatever it's towing.

His conclusion: the 4Runner is adequate to tow the Escape 21, but for those who tow a lot--especially in hotter, steeper areas like mountain passes in summer--the Tacoma is a better choice because its beefed-up, towing-specific components will add to its longevity.

Regarding whether the 4Runner or the Tacoma would win the race up the Coquihalla towing identical Escape 21s, he said it would be close, and that he couldn't predict the winner with certainty.

So our strategy remains the same: take a trip to the Rockies with our 4Runner as TV when our 21' hatches in September, reference the SUV's performance to our expectations, and upgrade our TV if necessary.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:10 AM   #114
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My F-350 is great too, but I MUCH prefer towing my 19 with my Pilot. A way better match size wise, and nicer to bomb around in when not towing too.
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The reason for the 1 ton is payload capacity. I have a Diamondback HD tonneau cover on it that regularly carries 3 KTM dirtbikes and 1 450 quad plus all the other stuff required for dry camping. Although even without the dirtbikes it's the most comfortable vehicle I've ever had for long distance travelling. I had an 05 Tacoma crew long box that used to tow our 17' Escape and while certainly capable it had very little torque so higher rpm's were often required. The higher passes in southern Utah and Colorado were much easier with the '11 F-150 ecoboost I bought next but nothing really compares to 800 lb.-ft. of torque that the diesel puts out.
It should be noted that most or all of the horsepower and torque figures quoted in this thread are likely manufactures numbers measured at the crank not at the rear wheels. A loss of 15% would not be unusual. More with a 4x4 truck and less with a manual 2wd vehicle.

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My other concern, especially on longer trips with the F-350, as compared to the Pilot, is the cost of fuel. While towing, my mileage with the truck is not much worse overall than the car, but it is not towing. And the darn cost of diesel is ridiculous at $0,20/litre more.

There has been only a couple mountain passes in my five years with the Pilot and the 19 where I slowed down a little, otherwise I have had no issue doing the speed limit, or marginally more. On some interstates I do stay below the posted 80mph limit though.

I don't often bring much extra stuff, maybe a canoe and a couple mountain bikes. There have been a few times I needed lots of tools, or was picking up something heavy, the the F-250 I used to have got put into service, and the power was greatly appreciated.
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It should be noted that most or all of the horsepower and torque figures quoted in this thread are likely manufactures numbers measured at the crank not at the rear wheels. A loss of 15% would not be unusual. More with a 4x4 truck and less with a manual 2wd vehicle.
Yes, all quoted numbers in this discussion and on auto manufacturers specification pages are engine output, not what is seen at the wheels. Only the motorcycle industry routinely uses at-the-wheel figures, which I believe result from manufacturers not specifying output, and then others using chassis dynos instead of the much more difficult task of hooking the engine directly to a dyno (especially since bikes usually have the transmission integrated with the engine).
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