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Old 08-25-2015, 03:44 PM   #41
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here's another option, no idea how practical it is though.

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Old 08-25-2015, 04:17 PM   #42
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A question for those with a 5.0TA and short bed pickup tow vehicle -- is anyone using a standard fifth wheel with slider option? Or not using a slider and wish they had a slider? I am still undecided between a standard fifth wheel hitch (with or without slider) and the Andersen Ultimate, I have read the comments here and all I can say is that I now feel strongly both ways between the Andersen and standard fifth wheel hitch. Thanks for your help.
Hi: oilhead... We tow the 5.0TA now and had a 5.0 previously. We've towed both with a Husky EZRoller slider and have never slid it. The Nissan Frontier longbed is only 6' 1" but we have managed almost all turns without sliding the hitch. The 5.0 pin box was shorter and I did mark the truck cab with it. Alf
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:27 PM   #43
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I don't buy the sales pitch for the Sidewinder that the weight is still over the axle, and the pivot point is 22" back. This definitely shifts the center of force back, and the Sidewinder is now acting as a lever, with the load pushing down behind the axle, and as a resultant, weight will be removed from the front wheels.

It does look handy, but the loading effect would be no different than with the sliding mount.

I would think a hitch that slides the weight back only for when needed, mostly parking the trailer.

Am I missing something?
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:53 PM   #44
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Hi: oilhead... We tow the 5.0TA now and had a 5.0 previously. We've towed both with a Husky EZRoller slider and have never slid it. The Nissan Frontier longbed is only 6' 1" but we have managed almost all turns without sliding the hitch. The 5.0 pin box was shorter and I did mark the truck cab with it. Alf
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Thanks for posting those photos! You chimed in on the thread I created o Club Frontier when I was shopping for my truck. I knew my Frontier had the rails on the floor of the bed, but I didn't realize those could be used for a gooseneck hitch. Very cool!

I wish I liked the 5.0TA more, but we're getting a 19, and the Fronty is definitely ready to pull something!
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Old 08-25-2015, 05:55 PM   #45
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Thanks for posting those photos! You chimed in on the thread I created o Club Frontier when I was shopping for my truck. I knew my Frontier had the rails on the floor of the bed, but I didn't realize those could be used for a gooseneck hitch. Very cool!

I wish I liked the 5.0TA more, but we're getting a 19, and the Fronty is definitely ready to pull something!
Hi: fridaynext... I don't think the tiedown rails would be strong enough for a gooseneck hitch. I haven't even used the tie downs for their intended use.
You are right about the Fronty being ready to tow though!!!
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Hi: fridaynext... I don't think the tiedown rails would be strong enough for a gooseneck hitch. I haven't even used the tie downs for their intended use.
You are right about the Fronty being ready to tow though!!!
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Oh - I saw your photo wrong. I thought you were using the Utili track system to mount it, which I read was only good for about 200lb of weight, but I can now see the bolts going through the end of the mounting brackets. Did you drill holes through the truck yourself?
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Hi: fridaynext... No I had a local RV shop R&R the hitch from a GMC short box to the Frontier. He used all the same frame brackets and box rails. Here's a pic of one of the frame rail brackets under the truck box. Alf
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:26 PM   #48
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I picked up my 5.0 last week and 'love' my Anderson hitch. I did a lot of research and wanted: light hitch, easily detached, ability to have the bed of my truck totally flat when not using the hitch. I have a Toyota Tundra 1794 edition which has a short bed. Here is what I got and love it:Aluminum Ultimate 5th Wheel Connection
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Old 08-26-2015, 01:10 AM   #49
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I don't buy the sales pitch for the Sidewinder that the weight is still over the axle, and the pivot point is 22" back. This definitely shifts the center of force back, and the Sidewinder is now acting as a lever, with the load pushing down behind the axle, and as a resultant, weight will be removed from the front wheels.
I disagree. The horizontal axis of rotation between the trailer and truck is still the head of the fifth-wheel hitch, so the vertical load is still carried there. If you look at the system two-dimensionally in side view, it is no different from any other pin box, except that it's long (which will slightly reduce the pin weight, increasing the trailer axle load an equal amount). The front axle won't be pried up.

Only the vertical axis of rotation between the trailer and truck is relocated rearward, by locking out rotation at the pin with a wedge into the opening in the hitch plate, and including a hinge point in the Sidewinder. If you look at the system in two-dimensions in plan view, it just looks like a fifth-wheel with the pin back under the trailer. This means the rotation point is moved back and clearance to the cab will be better... but lateral force on the truck by the trailer in turns is moved back as well, which is a bad idea for stability just as it would be if a conventional trailer had a shortened tongue and the ball was on an extended ball mount.

The combination of putting lateral load further back on the truck while leaving the vertical load (which provides traction) where the hitch is located is just about the worst thing anyone could design for stability.

I would not want use the Sidewinder, especially with a short trailer, due to the stability issue; it is counting on the fifth-wheel trailer rig being very stable before this stuff messes with it.

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Old 08-26-2015, 08:17 AM   #50
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MacMan, Is your Tundra the CrewMax version or the Double Cab? As I understand it the Andersen Ultimate hitch has two pivot points, one at the trailer hitch pin and one at the 2-5/16 hitch ball - how does that work when backing? Wouldn't the pressure on the hitch allow the connector between these two pivot points to swap ends?
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