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Old 02-08-2015, 06:16 PM   #91
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With the fifth wheel you lose most of your bed for carrying extra items anyway. In addition most "1/2" ton trucks are made for carrying 1500# or less. In addition the "payload" is for bed contents only, not passengers in the truck, that effects GCVW. So you still have capacity to carry 4-500# as a margin.
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:13 PM   #92
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Honestly, I have a 5th wheel hitch permently mounted in the bed (too heavy for me to take in and out). Other than a sheet of plywood, I have traveled and camped where the bed is PACKED! I should have taken a picture. So anyone telling you it's a problem, has never owned one.

My first major trip was to the Oregon Gathering (Ten Forward was 7 days old). I put this (+ other stuff) in the bed:

Folding 8' table
two folding lawn chairs
small folding table
2 ton aluminum racing jack
10' EZ up
9'x12' patio mat (+ welcome mat)
large cooler
Oregon banner + PVC stand (6' pieces)

As long as there's room for the hitch to swing and everything is below the truck bed rails (except at the front), you're good to go. AND if the truck can handle the weight. In my case, unless I carry bricks, I'll never exceed my truck's capacity. YMMV
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:16 PM   #93
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Beer is in the cooler, I presume?
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:30 PM   #94
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... most "1/2" ton trucks are made for carrying 1500# or less.
I agree. Since half a ton is only 1000 pounds, this shouldn't be surprising. The trucks informally known as "half-tons" - Ford F-150, Ram 1500, GMC/Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Toyota Tundra, Nissan Titan - are now all well beyond that rating.

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In addition the "payload" is for bed contents only, not passengers in the truck, that effects GCVW. So you still have capacity to carry 4-500# as a margin.
Payload is the maximum allowed weight of the vehicle (GVWR) minus what the vehicle weighs itself (curb weight). Whether that payload rides in the box or sits in the back seat makes no difference - it counts the same either way. That 1500 pounds (or so, depending on make and model) includes the passengers.

Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) is the maximum allowed for the loaded truck plus loaded trailer - everything that the truck is moving down the road. It says nothing about how much can be in the truck - that's GVWR.
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:32 PM   #95
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As long as there's room for the hitch to swing and everything is below the truck bed rails (except at the front), you're good to go. As long as the truck can handle the weight. In my case, unless I carry bricks, I'll never exceed my truck's capacity. YMMV
I agree that the truck must be able to handle the weight. Donna, what's the payload (or GVWR - we can work with either number) of your F-150?
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Honestly, I have a 5th wheel hitch permently mounted in the bed (too heavy for me to take in and out). Other than a sheet of plywood, I have traveled and camped where the bed is PACKED! I should have taken a picture. So anyone telling you it's a problem, has never owned one.

My first major trip was to the Oregon Gathering (Ten Forward was 7 days old). I put this (+ other stuff) in the bed:

Folding 8' table
two folding lawn chairs
small folding table
2 ton aluminum racing jack
10' EZ up
9'x12' patio mat (+ welcome mat)
large cooler
Oregon banner + PVC stand (6' pieces)

As long as there's room for the hitch to swing and everything is below the truck bed rails (except at the front), you're good to go. As long as the truck can handle the weight. In my case, unless I carry bricks, I'll never exceed my truck's capacity. YMMV
You had TWO folding lawn chairs?!
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:48 PM   #97
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With the fifth wheel you lose most of your bed for carrying extra items anyway. In addition most "1/2" ton trucks are made for carrying 1500# or less. In addition the "payload" is for bed contents only, not passengers in the truck, that effects GCVW. So you still have capacity to carry 4-500# as a margin.
Payload is equal to the vehicle's GVWR - The curb weight of the vehicle including options.
Passengers and any cargo carried in the vehicle or truck bed is counted as payload.
Why would they have a 150 lb payload allowance for the driver if passenger weight is not counted? Also if you look at the new SAE towing standards they make reference to passenger weight

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" The payload of a vehicle is determined as the allowable load weight a truck can carry, including ,the weight of the driver ,all passengers , options and cargo"

Jim ; You can find the above word for word quote on Page 589 (lower left side of page) of your 2014 Ram owners manual
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:56 PM   #98
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I'm researching a tow vehicle for my on order 5.0 TA. Looks like some EcoDiesel owners are towing 5.0 TA's. How are they doing with the relatively light standard payload capacity of ~1,200 lbs?

Dry TA hitch weight is 600 lbs., which when loaded doesn't leave much room for truck occupants and additional stuff (in the truck).
This discussion is a good reminder that configuration details matter. The truck's payload can be an issue with any trailer, but especially with the 5.0TA. The Ram Trucks Canada web page for the capability of the 1500 includes
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With a towing capacity up to 10,650 lb (4,831 kg) and payload up to 1,930 lb (875 kg)
... so with the right configuration choices, there's lots of capacity. But what is that configuration? I found the Ram web page for configuration pretty useless (it doesn't show the capacity changes caused by the many drivetrain choices), so I have no idea.
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This discussion is a good reminder that configuration details matter. The truck's payload can be an issue with any trailer, but especially with the 5.0TA. The Ram Trucks Canada web page for the capability of the 1500 includes

... so with the right configuration choices, there's lots of capacity. But what is that configuration? I found the Ram web page for configuration pretty useless (it doesn't show the capacity changes caused by the many drivetrain choices), so I have no idea.
From what I've read ,the 1930 lb payload capacity is for a standard long bed pickup (not quad or crew cab) Hemi V8 engine , 2 wheel drive ,17" LT tires , 8 speed auto transmission,
3,92 rear end . It is basically a barebones standard truck with a big motor and a low ratio rearend . The kind of truck that few people buy but the numbers look good in an ad . It seems all of the automakers fudge their towing numbers
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You had TWO folding lawn chairs?!
hahahahaha. Joan is laughing at me. Met her camping last month out camping and didn't even bring along ONE. She saved me.
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