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Old 02-08-2015, 10:22 PM   #111
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From what I've read ,the 1930 lb payload capacity is for a standard long bed pickup (not quad or crew cab) Hemi V8 engine , 2 wheel drive ,17" LT tires , 8 speed auto transmission,
3,92 rear end . It is basically a barebones standard truck with a big motor and a low ratio rearend .
Thanks Steve! It could take a long time to find that.

This is about what I would expect - the lightest cab, no extra equipment such as 4WD, and the strong drivetrain and big box that are wanted to do real work.

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The kind of truck that few people buy but the numbers look good in an ad . It seems all of the automakers fudge their towing numbers
I agree that few buyers would buy this truck, but it's available and would make sense for the people who really need payload. I don't think this is fudged at all, because Chrysler isn't claiming that all Ram 1500 trucks have this payload.

Truck configuration is like a multiple choice test...
  1. high fuel economy "as good as ***" (with the 2WD small-engine version)
  2. 5 passengers in comfort (with the extra-long crew cab, covered in leather)
  3. massive towing capacity "up to ***** pounds" (with the big engine, long wheelbase, regular cab)
  4. heavy-duty payload "up to **** pounds" (with the regular cab, long box, 2WD, basic trim)
Unfortunately, there is no "all of the above" choice.
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Old 02-08-2015, 10:30 PM   #112
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... I just looked the GVWR package says 7200#
Thanks Donna!

The 2015 (so aluminum-bodied and a few hundred pounds lighter than the equivalent 2014) SuperCab F-150 with a 3.5L EcoBoost and about 7000 pound GVWR has a payload of 2150 to 2280 pounds (depending on 2WD vs 4WD). This is significantly greater than the payload of many outwardly similar trucks - the 2015 F-150 can have a payload as low as 1,580 pounds.
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Old 02-08-2015, 11:01 PM   #113
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According to the Ram site, payload is define as the sum of all contents and cargo carried in the bed of the vehicle...
Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart
Okay - I read the page. The word "payload" occurs 22 times (44 after expanding it), but none of them are a definition. There is a list of "Towing Basics" links down one side, but none of them are for payload. There is a list of "Common Weights" links (amusingly, travel trailer are apparently commonly no less than 5000 pounds, which is the GVWR of the biggest Escape)... but no definition of payload.

If one of the calculators is turned on, it shows payload as the remaining payload after the portion of payload taken by passengers is allowed for. Sure enough, someone at Chrysler's advertising agency was sloppy or didn't understand the meaning of payload, and set the label on the calculated value incorrectly, thus misleading Jim.

Jim, did you actually find those words defining payload somewhere, or are you inferring it from sliding calculator behaviour?

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... and as you change the cab size or passengers, the GCVW changes:
Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart
The "max GCVW" (maximum gross combined vehicle weight - normally known as GCWR, but the same thing) does not change for me as I change the selected number of passengers or slide the split between payload (in the truck) and trailer; this behaviour is correct. Jim, where are you seeing the (max) GCVW change with passengers?

If you pick a different truck configuration from the list, it may have a different max GCWR... but everything else is changing as well, such as engines, transmissions, and heavy-duty packages.

If you push a different cab size button, the whole list shuffles and it's tough to find the same truck again. Setting it to sort by lowest price the same cheapo truck stays near the top of the list, and I can see what might be the same configuration changing max GCVW with a cab change... which just means some other spec is changing as well, because there are lots of dependencies between configuration choices.

This is a fascinating tool, but extraordinarily frustrating to use. I find it's a lot easier to just pick off the GCWR and GVWR from a drivetrain chart, then subtract the curb weight of the desired configuration to see what's left for a trailer and for payload.
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Old 02-08-2015, 11:18 PM   #114
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I find it's a lot easier to just pick off the GCWR and GVWR from a drivetrain chart, then subtract the curb weight of the desired configuration to see what's left for a trailer and for payload.
THAT is a quick and easy way to calculate it.
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Thanks Steve! It could take a long time to find that.

This is about what I would expect - the lightest cab, no extra equipment such as 4WD, and the strong drivetrain and big box that are wanted to do real work.


I agree that few buyers would buy this truck, but it's available and would make sense for the people who really need payload. I don't think this is fudged at all, because Chrysler isn't claiming that all Ram 1500 trucks have this payload.

Truck configuration is like a multiple choice test...
  1. high fuel economy "as good as ***" (with the 2WD small-engine version)
  2. 5 passengers in comfort (with the extra-long crew cab, covered in leather)
  3. massive towing capacity "up to ***** pounds" (with the big engine, long wheelbase, regular cab)
  4. heavy-duty payload "up to **** pounds" (with the regular cab, long box, 2WD, basic trim)
Unfortunately, there is no "all of the above" choice.
Forgive me ; Fudging was a poor choice of words on my part . I have met several people who have purchased a truck based on the maximum towing numbers shown on the TV or in print ads. They see the term " properly equipped "and assume that if their vehicle has the tow package ,they can tow the max no matter how their truck is configured . I met one man who believed because his Ram was rated to tow 10,000 lbs he could tow a 9800 lb 5th wheeler with 1200 Lbs of hitch weight (unloaded) I believe that truck mfgs. sometimes state their tow numbers in a way that confuses the uneducated .
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:50 AM   #116
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Payload is found on a sticker inside the driver door and it is significantly lower than the payload the manuf. list in their charts. Most new full size pickups have real world payloads less than 1500 lbs.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:57 AM   #117
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I just checked my sticker and it states 1490# limit for passengers and cargo, including tongue/pin weight.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:31 PM   #118
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Its a good thing that we don't need a lot of payload with our light weight Escapes.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:51 PM   #119
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I test drove a 2015 Ram 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel crew cab 4wd over the weekend and the door jamb payload sticker said ~1,168 lbs.. The salesman didn't believe that was all the truck could carry. Payload typically isn't an issue for a bumper pull as the tongue weight isn't as much as pin weight, especially with a weight distributing hitch.

Jim, what configuration is your truck?
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:02 PM   #120
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Mine is the 2014 Ram Sport model, 5.7 hemi with 8 speed and 3:21 rear....quad cab
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