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Old 01-01-2015, 09:40 PM   #51
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Who cares really? If you purchase a diesel tug or something that runs regular gas/fuel. If you want to pay MY fuel bill, I'll purchase what you think I should own. In the meantime, it's my charge card and bills at the dealership... and breakdowns out in the pucker brush.

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Old 01-01-2015, 09:46 PM   #52
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A tank of DEF will last about 5,000 miles and the first year of service is included. It's even sold at Walmart and not that expensive. The DEF tank is filled when the truck is serviced at the dealer.
Good point - the diesel supplement to the owner's manual directs the owner to top up the DEF at 10,00 mile / 16,000 km intervals which would line up with every second oil change service, so ideally the dealership would put it in for just the (minimal) cost of the DEF. Even if the dealership doesn't do it at a reasonable cost, it's no problem for the owner to do it: it appears that on Ram trucks (both the 1500 and the Cummin-equipped 2500/3500) there's just an extra filler cap for DEF beside the regular one for fuel.

I noticed the DEF at Walmart: it looks like about US$6/USgal. Walmart Canada doesn't list DEF on their website, but Canadian Tire lists it at C$2.11/L

The Ram (or VM Motori / Fiat) approach to DEF seems quite practical and reasonable.
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Old 01-01-2015, 10:22 PM   #54
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Who cares really? If you purchase a diesel tug or something that runs regular gas/fuel. If you want to pay MY fuel bill, I'll purchase what you think I should own. In the meantime, it's my charge card and bills at the dealership... and breakdowns out in the pucker brush.
My guess is that everyone asking about the cost of fuel and other issues of vehicle operation cares, or they wouldn't be asking.

Of course, different people care about different things... some obviously care whether their own tug runs on diesel or gasoline, perhaps because they are paying their own bills. Some apparently don't care, for their own reasons.
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:46 AM   #55
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Whatever the tow vehicle you have, and what fuel it uses, and what fuel mileage you get, is sure better than staying at a hotel, or motel when traveling. Camping is one of the best traveling options out there anywhere in the world. Even a Yugo tow vehicle is better than a 5 star hotel in my book.

And in my unbiased opinion, the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel rocks.

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Old 01-02-2015, 07:43 AM   #56
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The only thing we can be certain of is what a vehicle costs to purchase. Beyond that, the big three... fuel expense, maintenance expenses and the quality of the build of a particular vehicle are unknown. If we had a crystal ball and could see what those costs would be in the future, that might help determine which type of vehicle to buy. Gas has gone waaay down lately, but that may flip with diesel in the future. Then, there you go...
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There isn't much in common between a light-duty diesel in a car or Ram 1500 and the commercial-duty diesel in a heavy truck, so I wouldn't count on any truck stop to be able to fix the Ram EcoDiesel any more than I would expect a Ford dealer to to be able to fix a Chevy. In both cases the operating principles are the same and a decent mechanic can figure out any brand, but the ability to efficiently fix is dependent on detailed knowledge (the online manuals), some special tools, and specific parts. The days of mechanical injection pumps looking much alike in a Mercedes or in a big truck are long gone.
I read an interesting article about diesel engines designed for passenger vehicles and the ones designed for commercial use . The design criteria is totally different. .The article lead one to believe that the small passenger diesel engines are designed for the lifespan of consumer vehicles that are not constantly operated under full load.and not designed for commercial use . It appears that both the gas and diesel engines used in many passenger vehicles are designed as allways to last their warranty period.
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Whatever the tow vehicle you have, and what fuel it uses, and what fuel mileage you get, is sure better than staying at a hotel, or motel when traveling. Camping is one of the best traveling options out there anywhere in the world. Even a Yugo tow vehicle is better than a 5 star hotel in my book.

And in my unbiased opinion, the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel rocks.

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Hi: MarksAlot... What I expect is that no matter what Escape trailer you have... it will out last what ever Tug you have!!! Unless of course you succumb to the dreaded "Fiberglass Flu" and/or "Twofootitis"!!! Alf
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Excellent point Escape Artist. I'm sure my 19 will outlast my worn-out ass. My truck I'm sure will also. Fiberglass flu im sure is contagious, but I think I got immunized in Canada, so I should be set.

With all the vehicles I've owned, trucks, cars and motorcycles, I've found one constant. Whatever you own, if you take care of your vehicle, it - the vast majority of times - will take care of you. May even help to talk nice to your tug.

Your tug is your vehicle to adventure and gives you the ability to get out there and live life to its fullest. Like any relationship, take good care of your vehicicular significant other.
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Whatever the tow vehicle you have, and what fuel it uses, and what fuel mileage you get, is sure better than staying at a hotel, or motel when traveling. Camping is one of the best traveling options out there anywhere in the world. Even a Yugo tow vehicle is better than a 5 star hotel in my book.

And in my unbiased opinion, the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel rocks.

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