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Old 04-26-2015, 12:08 AM   #11
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Arrived home today from 2 weeks going up Eastern Slope of Sierra then up to S. Lake Tahoe then Quincy. 1400 miles and every time I see a Highlander I both miss it to some degree then am thankful I traded to a full size. Not even close if you're doing any distance and climbing any significant mountain passes. Also really appreciated the aggressive engine braking while descending. Heck, I had to stop 3/4 up Monitor Pass for a cooldown as the trans temp gauge was reading 215 and it was only 55 outside temp. Left it running for about ten minutes to get down below 200F.

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Old 04-26-2015, 12:30 AM   #12
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Thanks T&R. I'm trying to get some information on which Transmission cooler to get for my TV.
As for the gauge to monitor the temp, I have looked at the Scan gauge on Amazon. It seems to do more than just monitor the Transmission temp, unless I was looking at the wrong thing.

I thought about buying the cooler on line, and having a local mechanic install for me.

On a scale of 1-10 on mechanical aptitude, I'm a minus 5. So some one else will have to do the install for me.
I had added one to my old GMC pickup, an easy job but if I were to need one again I'd go for a powered cooler as opposed to the passive ones that rely on the wind.

Something along these lines. Amazon.com: Derale 15800 Electra-Cool Remote Cooler: Automotive
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:35 AM   #13
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There is an alternative to the Scan Gauge II and it is quite a bit less expensive. It is called the Ultra Gauge and only available through the manufacturer. They just recently added transmission temperature monitoring to their unit. With any unit it is important to check that they can properly measure tranny temps. Like anything there are some exceptions, with the older the TV, the more likely their to be issues. Usually your car model will have a forum devoted to those aficionados who do mods on cars like Escape owners do on trailers. Just Googling the model with transmission temperature monitoring may work or each of these models mentioned above have web sites with rather lame tables of comparability.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:44 AM   #14
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Good advice. At the moment I am housebound due to a recent surgery. Soon as I am recovered I will try to find a good mechanic and have him install the cooler as well as the scan gauge.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:31 AM   #15
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Folks:
While this thread has focused on the need for transmission coolers and gauges for monitoring transmission fluid temperatures, I have some additional questions about towing with a 4Runner. I have a 2008 V6 and have placed an order for a 17B. My owner's manual indicates max. towing weight of 5,000 lb., with 500 tongue wt. The 17B is well within these limits. My question has to do with the need for a WDH. My owner's manual calls the factory installed receiver hitch that came with the vehicle a "Weight Carrying Hitch" and states that WDH cannot be used with the receiver hitch that came on my 4Runner. Thus, it appears that if I will need a WDH to tow the 17B, I'll need to replace the receiver hitch. What experience do people have with the need for WDH for 17Bs? Another issue is the need for a "sway control device". Toyota says that this is required if the trailer weighs over 2,000 lb.--which the 17B clearly does. What information have folks found regarding these questions? Thanks for your help.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:40 AM   #16
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While this thread has focused on the need for transmission coolers and gauges for monitoring transmission fluid temperatures, I have some additional questions about towing with a 4Runner. I have a 2008 V6 and have placed an order for a 17B. My owner's manual indicates max. towing weight of 5,000 lb., with 500 tongue wt. The 17B is well within these limits. My question has to do with the need for a WDH. My owner's manual calls the factory installed receiver hitch that came with the vehicle a "Weight Carrying Hitch" and states that WDH cannot be used with the receiver hitch that came on my 4Runner. Thus, it appears that if I will need a WDH to tow the 17B, I'll need to replace the receiver hitch. What experience do people have with the need for WDH for 17Bs? Another issue is the need for a "sway control device". Toyota says that this is required if the trailer weighs over 2,000 lb.--which the 17B clearly does. What information have folks found regarding these questions? Thanks for your help.
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I did some studying on Toyota's "weight carrying hitch" then took mine off and replaced it with an aftermarket hitch for our 21'. The WCH appears to be fully capable for downward forces, but was bolted only to a rear cross-member, not the frame rails. The bolts used appeared very strong but were concentrated in an area about 4 by 5 inches. The receiver I installed also bolts to the same rear cross member and also to each of the frame rails. According to my Toyota owner's manual, this more complete receiver design allows a higher tow rating, and more importantly allows a weight distributing hitch, which is what I was after. My guess is the Toyota engineers thought a WDH would put too much strain on the what is essentially the single mounting point of the WCH.

My 4Runner has very little squat from the trailer, with or without the WDH, so I'd get info from other 4Runner owners on the need for the WDH at all with their 17s. I just thought I could help out with the definition and description of the factory Toyota receiver. I ended up with the Andersen hitch which also serves as sway control. Other less expensive sway controls are available, including one ETI sells and installs. I didn't know whether I needed one. With the weight of the 21', I just did everything to try to be safe. I might not have gotten the Andersen or the new receiver with a 17.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:45 AM   #17
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My experience with the 4Runner and an Escape 19 was very positive, this being without a WDH. I never had a loss of control or felt any sway. That said, the 19 is a different animal than the 17, dual axle being a dramatic difference. I am sure the tracking on the 19 is better due to four feet on the ground versus two.

My opinion is to try it without any modification. Then if you felt there was a sway issue add the anti sway or if the vehicle sagged a great deal go with a WDH. My point is not to over plan the issue. It is a great tow vehicle and I believe it can handle what you are purchasing without modification. However, if it gives you peace of mind you need to follow those instincts.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:00 AM   #18
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I have towed our 17B with a 98 4runner V6 for two years, and a 2011 the past year - without WDH or sway control. I never experienced a sway problem with either; the trailer is stable and tracks well. The back end drops slightly with the tongue load (less on the 2011), and I have noticed some increased front tire feathering that I suspect is a result of changing-weight-distribution effect on toe-in.
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Thanks! This was exactly the sort of information the I was looking for.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:32 AM   #20
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I'm still trying to get Toyota to explain the statement about WDH in the manual for my RAV4 ( which is unibody, not frame ). It's been several years, with emails to Toyota and discussions with my dealership.
It appears that they are investigating my complaint that they won't give me an answer. Would be a lot easier if they would just give me the answer:

Dear Mr. Baglo:

Thank you for your most recent correspondence.

Your file, bearing case number (xxxxx) , is being sent to our Review team and pending the outcome of our review with your dealership, you may expect a call back from a member of our Review Team.

We would like to thank you again for taking the time to write.
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