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Old 01-07-2017, 11:55 AM   #1
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Trailer weights

Pennsylvania now allows 5 year trailer plates so I still have my Escape 21 registration as well as my Escape 19 registration. Some interesting numbers from the registration
year gross unladen
2014 4,510 3,046
2016 5,000 3,450

So according to these numbers my 19 weighs more than my older 21 and has a
higher capacity than the older one? Not sure if these numbers are correct but I'm going to look into the source of them.
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I understood that the 19' did go to 5000. Someone can confirm.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:58 PM   #3
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I don't consider any of the values on the Escape website are really believable, because the changes from the up-to-2016 first-generation or "classic" version to the starting-in 2016 second-generation or "2017" or "new" versions was so erratic, and there are so many inconsistencies. There are still photos of the no-longer-in-production 21' on the site. Given that...

Current Escape Trailer Industries website values in pounds (as of 2017 Jan 07)
  • 5.0TA: 3100 (axle) + 700 (pin) = 3800 (dry, empty, base); 5500 GVWR
    Early 2016 brochure says tandem 3000 pound axles, and says 3100 (axle) + 600 (pin) = 3700 (dry, empty, base); 5500 GVWR
  • 21': 2780 (axle) + 360 (tongue) = 3140 (dry, empty, base); 4500 GVWR
    Early 2016 brochure says tandem 3000 pound axles, and same weights.
    A new-spec 21' owner can confirm or correct, but I believe that the posted GVWR for the 21' (4500 pounds) does not match what is actually being built; it is implausible that the current 21' would have a lower GVWR than the current 19'. Given various forum discussions, it seem likely that with tandem 3000 pound axle Escape would set GVWR substantially over 4500 pounds - it is likely 5500 pounds.
  • 19': 2354 (axle) + 256 (tongue) = 2950 (dry, empty, base); 5000 GVWR
    Early 2016 brochure says tandem 2500 pound axles, and same inconsistent dry weights, and 4000 pound GVWR.
    The 19' axle and tongue weights do not add up to the total trailer weight; I suspect that the axle and/or tongue weights (2354 and 256) were not updated from previous values, but the total (2950) might be current.
    The web page's 5000 pound GVWR seems more consistent with this year's practices at Escape than the 4000 pound value in the brochure, which is probably just outdated.
  • 17B 1920 (axle) + 250 (tongue) = 2170 (dry, empty, base); 4000 GVWR
    Current brochure says 2500 axle (not plausible), same weights, but 3500 GVWR.
    The axle rating is probably a typo (copied from another model), as it has been 3500 pounds for a long time, and 2500 would be inadequate for the GVWR (even at 3500 pound GVWR).
    The GVWR is probably now 4000 pounds.
  • 17A: 1720 (axle) + 250 (tongue) = 1970 (dry, empty, base); 4000 GVWR
    Current brochure says 2500 axle (not plausible), same weights, but 3500 GVWR.
    The axle rating is probably a typo (copied from another model), as it has been 3500 pounds for a long time, and 2500 would be inadequate for the GVWR (even at 3500 pound GVWR).
    The GVWR is probably now 4000 pounds.
    Since the additional 200 pounds of the 17B over the 17A is added in the front - not centred around the centre of mass - it does not seem plausible that the tongue weight is unchanged between the two variants.
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Given all of that, the change from 4510 pound GVWR for a 2014 21' to 5000 pound GVWR for a 2016 21' seems reasonable.
The 21' should be heavier than a similarly equipped 19', by perhaps a couple hundred pounds; the extra width (top and bottom) of the newer body style could easily make a current 19' weigh as much as an older 21' with similar equipment. I don't know if Jim's 2014 and 2016 trailers have equipment differences to account for the extra weight of the newer trailer... or where the "gross" weight values came from (they should be dry and empty as-equipped weights reported by Escape for the specific unit).
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When visiting ETI last summer and talking with Reece about the axles, he said by the time we got our 2017 21' in April that it would have tandem 3500 lb. axles. I did not ask about the GVWR but I expect it must be 5000 lbs., perhaps more.
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When visiting ETI last summer and talking with Reece about the axles, he said by the time we got our 2017 21' in April that it would have tandem 3500 lb. axles. I did not ask about the GVWR but I expect it must be 5000 lbs., perhaps more.
Good catch. The 5.0TA axle rating in the web page and brochure may be incorrect as well...

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Current Escape Trailer Industries website values in pounds (as of 2017 Jan 07)
  • 5.0TA: 3100 (axle) + 700 (pin) = 3800 (dry, empty, base); 5500 GVWR
    Early 2016 brochure says tandem 3000 pound axles, and says 3100 (axle) + 600 (pin) = 3700 (dry, empty, base); 5500 GVWR
The beam axles previously used in the 5.0TA were rated at 3500 pounds, so the 3000 pound axle ratings may be incorrect - perhaps incorrectly copied from the 21' specs - and might be 3500 pounds.

The numbers from the brochure are all the same (including 5500 pounds GVWR) as published on the Escape web site a couple of years ago... so the 600 pound pin weight and 3700 pound total in the "current" brochure are probably outdated, and even the 700+3100=3800 values are unlikely to be correct for the new style (which will be heavier). Is the GVWR higher? I don't know - maybe someone getting one soon will tell us.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:38 PM   #7
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[QUOTE] ... A new-spec 21' owner can confirm or correct, but I believe that the posted GVWR for the 21' (4500 pounds) does not match what is actually being built... [QUOTE]
We recently received a packet of paperwork on our 21' that is in production (or will be soon). GVWR is listed as 5000 lbs. With the options we chose, our 21' is projected to weigh 3620 lbs.
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There is a key difference between what the trailer weighs and what the GVWR (or Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is. The dry weight is the weight of the dry trailer without anything in it including water/propane and any other contents. The GVWR however, is the maximum allowable weight of the trailer including fresh water, water, propane, black and grey tanks and all other contents. This is a function of the construction of the trailer and the axle and what its built to be able to carry, rather than its actual weight.

Think of it this way: Your trailer fully loaded weighs 3,500lbs and the GVWR is 4,000 lbs. However, if you are going to have a party where you are going with your trailer and think that you could stop off and buy a few beers on the way stop and think. The fact that you may appear to have room to squeeze perhaps four or five kegs inside the trailer is immaterial. Each full keg weighs about 161 lbs, so therefore you will only be able to carry three kegs, being the weight difference between the current fully loaded weight of the trailer and the GVWR.

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Old 01-07-2017, 08:53 PM   #9
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Escape is busy building trailers, I get that. But, many of the questions we see on the forum, and many of the inconsistencies and pieces of conflicting information, could be easily fixed if they'd update their spec sheets/website with reliable information.
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... A new-spec 21' owner can confirm or correct, but I believe that the posted GVWR for the 21' (4500 pounds) does not match what is actually being built...
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We recently received a packet of paperwork on our 21' that is in production (or will be soon). GVWR is listed as 5000 lbs. With the options we chose, our 21' is projected to weigh 3620 lbs.
The GVWR then for a new 21' is now apparently 5000, same as for a 19'. Of course, someone else might possibly have something different but I would only expect the second number to be different based on options. (The 4500 was for a classic but even those had some different numbers on paperwork.)
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