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05-21-2017, 03:08 PM
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#21
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: South Lake Tahoe, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
Posts: 253
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Hey Teddy, ease up on the WDH tension a bit. As you know I have the same 2017 Pilot and noticed that myself. The Pilot likes a bit more weight on the hitch. It pitches because the suspension is really very soft until it's loaded up. Once loaded, it doesn't pitch as much. I have a different WDH than you, but the concept is the same. Worst case, you can switch out for a WDH with spring bars. The Anderson is a whole different design.
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05-22-2017, 11:33 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Nor, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape
Posts: 234
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Thanks! I'll try to put more load on the tongue by playing adjusting the WDH springs and/or black water tank.
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05-22-2017, 03:00 PM
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#23
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Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Trailer: 19' - Picking up November 29, 2017
Posts: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by C&G in FL
I have noted it sometimes when going over bridges, perhaps due to a sudden change in road composition. I have, however, read "complaints" in the past that the rear suspension Honda uses on the Odyssey and Pilot is a bit mushy. I think Brian may have hit the nail on the head with his assessment of the cause and potential corrective measure.
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I got rid of my 2014 Pilot because of inadequate suspension and power, and purchased a 2014 Suburban. A Pilot is a finishing hammer and a Suburban, Expedition, Seqouia are all real hammers.
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05-22-2017, 06:10 PM
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#24
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: South Lake Tahoe, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan S
I got rid of my 2014 Pilot because of inadequate suspension and power, and purchased a 2014 Suburban. A Pilot is a finishing hammer and a Suburban, Expedition, Seqouia are all real hammers.
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A Suburban is definitely a much cooler ride.
However, we shopped and drove both and ended up with the Pilot, which was about $20K cheaper spec'd out as we wanted. They are really quite similar, but the Pilot seemed like a much better value proposition given the resale value. I'm averaging 24-25 mpg. It's a bit quicker too
2017 Honda Pilot:
19/27 MPG
6.2 sec 0-60
5,000 lb towing capacity
2017 Suburban:
15/22 MPG
7.1 sec 0-60
6,000 lb towing capacity
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05-22-2017, 06:22 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: North of Danbury, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2018 Escape 21C
Posts: 3,033
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skyfree
A Suburban is definitely a much cooler ride.
However, we shopped and drove both and ended up with the Pilot, which was about $20K cheaper spec'd out as we wanted. They are really quite similar, but the Pilot seemed like a much better value proposition given the resale value. I'm averaging 24-25 mpg. It's a bit quicker too
2017 Honda Pilot:
19/27 MPG
6.2 sec 0-60
5,000 lb towing capacity
2017 Suburban:
15/22 MPG
7.1 sec 0-60
6,000 lb towing capacity
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Having towed with both a Honda Pilot and a Chevy Suburban ,
all I can say is the two are as much alike as apples and oranges.
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05-22-2017, 08:24 PM
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#26
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Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Trailer: 19' - Picking up November 29, 2017
Posts: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skyfree
A Suburban is definitely a much cooler ride.
However, we shopped and drove both and ended up with the Pilot, which was about $20K cheaper spec'd out as we wanted. They are really quite similar, but the Pilot seemed like a much better value proposition given the resale value. I'm averaging 24-25 mpg. It's a bit quicker too
2017 Honda Pilot:
19/27 MPG
6.2 sec 0-60
5,000 lb towing capacity
2017 Suburban:
15/22 MPG
7.1 sec 0-60
6,000 lb towing capacity
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wrong, its 8000 for 4wd.
Wanna race? 326HP and 3:35 gears. My 2014 Z71 Suburban used was $32,750 in Texas. I bought my 2014 Pilot hoping it would be a good replacement for my 2015 Suburban as it had the most cargo space in its class and the biggest rear tailgate in its class. For us, it wasn't the replacement I was hoping for. I know I'll spend more on repairs than you. Hondas just don't break. Correction on your stats: 2014 Suburban, not 2017. 8000Lbs towing capacity and a gargantuan cargo area. We got 17.2 MPG on a 5,000 mile trip this March to Arizo, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexica pulling a 1800 Lb pop up at
65-70 MPH. In your court.
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05-23-2017, 11:09 AM
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#27
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Nor, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape
Posts: 234
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No duels please.
We picked the Pilot due to my loyalty to Honda.. Having owned Civics, Preludes, S2000, Accord, CR-V, Odyssey here and abroad.
And, more importantly now with the baby, the IIHS Top Safety Pick+ crash test rating.
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05-23-2017, 12:19 PM
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#28
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Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Trailer: 19' - Picking up November 29, 2017
Posts: 71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LJY
No duels please.
We picked the Pilot due to my loyalty to Honda.. Having owned Civics, Preludes, S2000, Accord, CR-V, Odyssey here and abroad.
And, more importantly now with the baby, the IIHS Top Safety Pick+ crash test rating.
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I understand your loyalty as I have owned 6 accords, 1 civic, and 1 Pilot. I was just having a little fun, no harm done.
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05-24-2017, 03:56 AM
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#29
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, Ontario
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BCnomad
I "like" towing with black and gray tanks about 1/2 full. Try not to have a full fresh tank, yet anyways. Waste tanks up front, fresh over the axle (more or less). Do you have the front storage box?
Dennis set up my Andersen for the day of pick up (when my truck bed was loaded down). After getting the truck unloaded, and testing, I reduced my tightening from 7 to 2, maybe 3.
YMMV.
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You can go to the CAT SCALES, at your closest truck stop. It is important to know your axle weights. Weigh your vehicle, weigh your trailer empty, and weigh your trailer loaded with your gear and passengers. I have 2 CAT SCALES near my house, one at the Flying J, and one at the Husky.
https://youtu.be/1mo5cJUZFv0
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05-24-2017, 03:58 AM
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#30
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, Ontario
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BCnomad
I "like" towing with black and gray tanks about 1/2 full. Try not to have a full fresh tank, yet anyways. Waste tanks up front, fresh over the axle (more or less). Do you have the front storage box?
Dennis set up my Andersen for the day of pick up (when my truck bed was loaded down). After getting the truck unloaded, and testing, I reduced my tightening from 7 to 2, maybe 3.
YMMV.
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Sorry, I quoted the wrong post, see my last post.
https://youtu.be/1mo5cJUZFv0
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05-24-2017, 11:15 PM
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#31
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Nor, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape
Posts: 234
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Will I be able to find tongue weight at these stations?
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05-24-2017, 11:48 PM
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#32
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, Ontario
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LJY
Will I be able to find tongue weight at these stations?
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I haven't done this yet, but one of the YouTube Videos I watched said to weigh just your vehicle keeping in mind to keep each axle on a different plate, then re weigh with your trailer, again keeping each axle on a separate plate. Then after you get your weigh in sheets, subtract the rear axle weight with just the tow vehicle from the rear axle weight with your trailer. It's not an exact tongue weight, but pretty close.
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05-25-2017, 05:44 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: ,, Oklahoma
Trailer: 17
Posts: 840
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https://youtu.be/LFLrg6I8_vU
another tongue weight one here
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05-25-2017, 06:26 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
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I've done it like Doug says pretty much. Do get out and look at the scale first.
With the trailer hooked up pull up on the scale, front vehicle wheels on the forward steel plate, rear vehicle wheels on the middle plate, trailer wheels on the back plate.
Push the button, if you can reach it, and the operator will weigh the parts.
Pull off the scale, go inside and get your first reading after paying, usually costs me $20 for the 2 weighings.
Go park off in the parking lot somewhere out of the way. Drop the trailer and go back to the scale.
Again put the front wheels on the forward plate, rears on the 2nd plate and have the operator weigh it.
Subtract total from 2nd from 1st to get trailers weight.
The difference between the combined steer and drive axles on the 2 weighings will be your tongue or pin weight.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...tf-8#kpvalbx=1
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05-26-2017, 07:01 AM
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#35
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Nor, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape
Posts: 234
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Adjustment update: I dialed back the Andersen WDH from 5 threads to 3, and most of the porpoising motion is gone when going on straights. I can definitely feel more tongue weight since the vehicle no longer takes off when releasing the brake pedal as with the 5 threads.
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07-06-2017, 02:28 AM
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#36
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Nor, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape
Posts: 234
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Just wanted to update for newbie's in the future like me..
It turned out 2 things contributed to the uncomfortable porpoising:
1. they installed the hitchball height too high.. Reace helped me lower it to better height.
2. some how my fresh water tank was full from either the factory or the first night camping without me actually filling the fresh water tank.
Once I found out and drained the water along with appropriate ball height, towing was much better.
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07-06-2017, 11:10 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: South Lake Tahoe, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LJY
Just wanted to update for newbie's in the future like me..
It turned out 2 things contributed to the uncomfortable porpoising:
1. they installed the hitchball height too high.. Reace helped me lower it to better height.
2. some how my fresh water tank was full from either the factory or the first night camping without me actually filling the fresh water tank.
Once I found out and drained the water along with appropriate ball height, towing was much better.
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Hmmm... not sure I like that solution. Having to travel with empty water tanks wouldn't work for me. What happens when you are camping with no water hookups? Have you tried will full fresh tanks and the revised hitch height?
Having towed our 17B with the Pilot for about 1,000 miles on all kinds of roads including 10% grades, I feel like it's mostly just the nature of the vehicle rather than setup. It gets the job done, but that's about all I can say that's nice about it as a tow vehicle. It works for us as a once-a-month tow vehicle and a full time daily driver, but I do miss the Touareg TDI!
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07-06-2017, 11:25 AM
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#38
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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I agree that you should be able to tow with a full fresh tank and no issues, something goofy on that. I towed a 17b for two years and whenever boondocking always went in with full fresh tank and no issues. I towed with a Nissan Titan and Frontier which are solid tow vehicles and never needed a wdh with either truck to handle the 17.
I'm not sure what you're towing with, but I'd guess it may be part of the issue.
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07-06-2017, 12:29 PM
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#39
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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Since the op has not updated their avatar, no one knows what type trailer is involved....
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07-06-2017, 12:36 PM
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#40
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,232
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The level of the fresh water tank can definitely make an impact on tongue weights. With our traveling load on our 21, and the fresh tank completely full, it tended to make our tongue weight lighter than I was comfortable with. Now we travel with it 1/3 full. The 21 holds 28 US gallons of fresh water which weighs about 234# when full - all sitting behind the rear axles.
With both our 17B and now our 21, I experimented with measuring tongue weights with different amounts of water in the fresh tank so that I could come up with tongue weights I was comfortable with. As Donna says; YMMV.
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