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Old 08-09-2019, 08:27 PM   #1
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Weight Bearing Hitch; Lesson Learned and a Question

Just got back from our first real trip with our 17B. We have a WBH, which I have never used before. Decided to try an experiment and leave the torsion bars off, but it pitched badly, so put them on.

One thing learned: The torsion bars on the hitch make a real difference in dips in the road. We hit what I thought was a reasonable dip and heard a terrible clatter. Upon checking I found one torsion bar had impacted the road and bent the retaining clip, which failed and allowed the chain to detach. No damage of consequence, but lesson learned. Go through dips very slowly. I had never realized the torsion bars extend back at the same angle as the hitch, so they are much closer to the bottom of a dip.

Question: Had I not been able to reattach the torsion bar can one travel with only one attached? It seems it would result in only 1/2 the weight transfer, but that should be the only effect. (We do not use any anti-sway).
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Just got back from our first real trip with our 17B. We have a WBH, which I have never used before. Decided to try an experiment and leave the torsion bars off, but it pitched badly, so put them on.

One thing learned: The torsion bars on the hitch make a real difference in dips in the road. We hit what I thought was a reasonable dip and heard a terrible clatter. Upon checking I found one torsion bar had impacted the road and bent the retaining clip, which failed and allowed the chain to detach. No damage of consequence, but lesson learned. Go through dips very slowly. I had never realized the torsion bars extend back at the same angle as the hitch, so they are much closer to the bottom of a dip.

Question: Had I not been able to reattach the torsion bar can one travel with only one attached? It seems it would result in only 1/2 the weight transfer, but that should be the only effect. (We do not use any anti-sway).
My immediate thought after reading this is the torsion bars are not tight enough. Other words the chains are too loose. When I had my Casita, I went through all sorts of bumps and dips and never had the torsion bars come loose. Another explanation would be the bar or bars hit the road, but you did not state if they did.

Also, as an FYI the acronym is WDH for Weight Distribution Hitch.
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Was not sure about the acronym so spelled it out... Next time.

I am sure the bar hit the street. The chains were as tight as I could get them when I hitched up and we had not had the problem on the delivery trip from MO.
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Too tight of an adjustment can be dangerous. Did you set up this hitch or a pro?
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That's what I was wondering.

One obvious item is the "tilt adjustment". Put too much angle on it and the rear of the bars are closer to the road surface than they should be.

Trust me, I've hit things that could be called much worse than a dip in the road without incident. Properly adjusted they shouldn't be a problem in the future.

And no, manufacturers specifically say not to use only one bar.

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That's what I was wondering.

One obvious item is the "tilt adjustment". Put too much angle on it and the rear of the bars are closer to the road surface than they should be.

Trust me, I've hit things that could be called much worse than a dip in the road without incident. Properly adjusted they shouldn't be a problem in the future.

And no, manufacturers specifically say not to use only one bar.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the torsion bars be set up so that they are parallel to the trailer frame?
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One more terminology tip: these hitches do not have torsion bars, which would be spring bars which are twisted to load them. Torsion bars do exist (such as in some suspension designs) but these spring bars are bent (not twisted); just call them spring bars (or just bars).
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the torsion bars be set up so that they are parallel to the trailer frame?
Roughly, yes (in most WDH designs) but being horizontal is less important than applying the right force. They will stay at about the same angle relative to the frame, not relative to the hitch head.
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Question: Had I not been able to reattach the torsion bar can one travel with only one attached? It seems it would result in only 1/2 the weight transfer, but that should be the only effect. (We do not use any anti-sway).
No, half the load transfer is not the only effect.

Those spring bars apply a huge amount of force (several hundred pounds between them in a typical light trailer setup), and applying it on only one side is hard on the trailer frame. It will also twist the tow vehicle and trailer in opposite directions (around the longitudinal axis).

Also, with the chain-type WD hitches, when the rig turns the chains pull forward on the outside of the turn and rearward on the inside; with only one bar and chain, the effect will not be balanced and may affect handling.

There was a single-bar WDH in production, but it mounted the bar nearly centrally, minimizing these issues.
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There was a single-bar WDH in production, but it mounted the bar nearly centrally, minimizing these issues.
We had a single-bar WDH system on one of our previous trailers. To use this system the trailer needs to have a GVWR of 4000# or less. And yes, the bar was positioned straight down the middle of the frame. We liked it - very simple and effective, 1/2 the effort of a 2 bar system.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the torsion bars be set up so that they are parallel to the trailer frame?
There are two situations; one, the static set-up and secondly, in use.

My Eaz-lift set-up calls for 10* to 13* downward angle with the ball mount tilted to 6*.

In use, under chain tension they are pulled upwards and may indeed be parallel to the road surface. But an incorrect set-up could have the rear of the bars down lower than they should be.

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Well, I am glad I posted this, both as a cautionary tale and for the great information. Even helped with terminology, and the guidance re: running a single bar is valuable.

The hitch came with the trailer and is set up as we received it. I will try to find the brand and then try to find setup instructions. Just to look at it it appears to be slightly tilted towards the rear, but I had not considered the effect on the spring bars. It makes sense that it may be incorrectly installed.

Anyone know where I can find those little keeper clips? I already lost one and had to make a replacement, but am not satisfied with the material I used.
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..Anyone know where I can find those little keeper clips? I already lost one and had to make a replacement, but am not satisfied with the material I used.
They are JR Products 01044 on Amazon.
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Here are a couple of photos of the hitch. As you can see, it is tilted to the rear. From the top view it is clear there is tilt adjustment available.

I carefully looked at the entire hitch I could not determine the brand. It merely says Made in China and gives weight values.

The specifications on the hitch call for torquing the bolts to 300lb, so I think I will have someone else do it.


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(finally able to attach the photos!! Now if I can only remember how I did it)
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If I take it to a trailer pro for proper adjustment do I need to take the trailer or spring bars?
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If I take it to a trailer pro for proper adjustment do I need to take the trailer or spring bars?
Yes. It is not possible to determine the correct adjustment without the trailer and complete hitch.
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I carefully looked at the entire hitch I could not determine the brand. It merely says Made in China and gives weight values.
It's no problem to correct the setup, even without knowing the brand. It's a very common style.
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I tried holding a protractor up against your photo. Probably way out but I think that you have much more than a 6* rear tilt that mine calls for.

If so, the more tilt, the lower the rear end of the spring bars are unless extra force is used to pull them up.

So look at some set-up videos, measure what you have and take it from there.

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