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Old 10-29-2013, 02:46 AM   #41
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Tom, public scales are often for commercial trucks only. It is at the discretion of the operator as to whether you can use one. Likely not.
Fortunately, here in Alberta and usually in British Columbia, the government-run highway scales are left on when not attended: you can get readings, just not a printout. When I asked someone at a scale (by phone) about cost, he said our taxes paid for it so it was there for us to use - a refreshing attitude.


Floating Cloud gave an excellent description of the tongue weight measurement issues.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:35 AM   #42
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We picked up our new 21 last week and I asked about the posted weight and if the trailer was weighed. Response was that the basic trailer weight was known and then the extra items weight was known and the form was adjusted to reflect the extras plus the basic.
Thanks for the info. The quoted weight should then be the weight as built, with all options, but dry (nothing in the tanks).

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Since I'm a retired airline pilot and mechanic I NEED to know exact numbers.
My understanding is that the weight of an aircraft at takeoff is an estimate similar to Escape's, based on the empty weight, plus known weight of fuel, plus known weight of supplies, plus weight of cargo (known?), plus a guess at the weight of passenger (based on the number and a typical weight). I would still weigh the trailer...

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On the way through Oregon I stopped at a closed weigh station and checked the numbers as we have it loaded for a two week trip in all weather areas, except snow.
The results without disconnecting the tow vehicle that weighs 5300# and has 7500+# of tongue weight allowed.
TV 6000#
total axle weights 3600#
left axles 1800#
right axles 1800#
Looks like our almost full 21 total 4200#
So this is a loaded weight (with cargo), not just the trailer.
I assume that's 750 pounds (or more) of tongue weight capacity.

With 3600 pounds on the axles and a 4200 pounds total, that would include 600 pounds of tongue weight - is that a guess? If it is based on the 6000 pound scale total minus the 5300 pound vehicle weight, that allows only 100 pounds for the driver, other occupants, and anything carried in the vehicle. If the weight distribution system is hooked up the split between trailer axles and tongue will be different anyway; the 9600 pound total minus the tug with contents (5400 pounds?) still gives the total loaded trailer weight (4200 pounds?), just not the distribution between axles and tongue.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:27 AM   #43
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This just gets more confusing!
The GVWR stamped inside our 5.0 is 1950kg or 4299 pounds. However, when we weighed the trailer with tanks empty and maybe 100 pounds of gear inside, it came in at 3740!
How can that be??

Ad the labeled tongue weight 'range' was 606 pounds.
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This is good, the GVWR is the max for your trailer thus you are 560# under the max...
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:38 AM   #45
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This is good, the GVWR is the max for your trailer thus you are 560# under the max...
But I thought they just said that the GVRW stamped in the trailer was the dry weight with all the options installed What am I missing? The label also states that the Cargo Carrying Capacity is 1300 pounds.
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Towing Definitions-Understanding Towing weight terms - Fiberglass RV
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:50 AM   #48
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Go to here for some info
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defines GVW and GVWR

Got it...I thought that was the case but all I could find in ours was the silver label inside the clothes closet. Is the GVW stamped on the trailer anywhere?
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Will not be able to answer that for another 3-4 weeks….
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But I thought they just said that the GVRW stamped in the trailer was the dry weight with all the options installed What am I missing? The label also states that the Cargo Carrying Capacity is 1300 pounds.
If the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is 4299 pounds, and the Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC) is 1300 pounds, then the empty (but wet) gross vehicle weight (GVW) is the difference: GVW (with water) = 2999 pounds.
Of that, if the "20 gal" of freshwater is Imperial gallons, that's 91 kg (200 pounds) of water, so the GVW (dry) = 2799 pounds.
With an approximate dry base weight of 2620 pounds, you must have about 180 pounds in options, according to Escape's estimate (2620 base + 179 options = 2799 dry).

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... when we weighed the trailer with tanks empty and maybe 100 pounds of gear inside, it came in at 3740!
That, on the other hand, doesn't line up: if you really had only 100 pounds of gear that's a dry empty weight of 3640 pounds... 841 pounds more than Escape's estimate. I have no explanation for this discrepancy; if it were me I would assume that I under-estimated the amount of gear, but not by that much!
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