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Old 10-30-2013, 01:01 PM   #51
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Right - the numbers just don't make sense.
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There should be another label on the exterior. It is usually near the front, driver-side corner, or maybe in the front compartment.

It would very helpful to post a (readable) picture of the interior label you found, and also, if you can find it, the exterior one.

I have not seen the paperwork Escape supplies at delivery time, but you might check that.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:17 PM   #53
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There should be another label on the exterior. It is usually near the front, driver-side corner, or maybe in the front compartment.

It would very helpful to post a (readable) picture of the interior label you found, and also, if you can find it, the exterior one.

I have not seen the paperwork Escape supplies at delivery time, but you might check that.
Since we purchased this trailer second hand we do not have the original paperwork from Escape.

But I did locate the outside label..never noticed it below the drivers side hatch door.
The numbers are hard to read in the photo (and on the plate!)but the GVWR is 1950 and Carrying Capacity is 590 just like on the inside label. The outside plate also indicates the weights of the tanks when full.
Our trailer is equipped with a 20 gallon fresh water tank, a 26 gallon grey water tank and a 19 gallon black water tank.
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Outside label numbers look like (calculations assume 8lbs per gallon):
91 kg = 200.5 lbs = 25 gallons (must be fresh water tank)
27 kg = 59.5 lbs = 7.4 gallons (must be hot water heater tank)
Waste Tanks:
1) 102 kg = 224.7 lbs = 28 gallons (grey water?)
2) 154 kg = 339.5 lbs = 42.4 gallons (not sure if this one is supposed to be the 'heavier' water of the black tank!!!)

If we use imperial gallons weighing in at 9.75 lbs per gallon we get
20 gals (Fresh) 6 gals (hot water)
23 gals (waste 1) 34.8 gals (waste 2)
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:08 PM   #54
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Our trailer is equipped with a 20 gallon fresh water tank, a 26 gallon grey water tank and a 19 gallon black water tank.
Photos follow.
Outside label numbers look like (calculations assume 8lbs per gallon):
91 kg = 200.5 lbs = 25 gallons (must be fresh water tank)
27 kg = 59.5 lbs = 7.4 gallons (must be hot water heater tank)
Waste Tanks:
1) 102 kg = 224.7 lbs = 28 gallons (grey water?)
2) 154 kg = 339.5 lbs = 42.4 gallons (not sure if this one is supposed to be the 'heavier' water of the black tank!!!)

If we use imperial gallons weighing in at 9.75 lbs per gallon we get
20 gals (Fresh) 6 gals (hot water)
23 gals (waste 1) 34.8 gals (waste 2)
Yes...
  • the Escape features page lists Imperial gallons (20 fresh, 26 grey, 19 black), as indicated by other reported weights... I don't know of an actual volume measurement by anyone
  • the 27 kg value is for the water heater contents
I don't know why the waste tank weights are so high.
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I think the factory stickers all add up: (All in pounds.)

GVWR-CC = wet weight
4300-1300 = 3000

wet weight = dry weight empty + fresh water full + LP
So dry empty = wet weight - (fresh+LP)
2758 = 3000 - (200 + 42)

The Escape site says dry empty weight = 2620
If you add in a few options add some options 2758 looks OK.

Now about your actual dry weight with 100# of stuff of 3740. I can explain up to 42# for the propane, so we are left with (only a mere) 950# discrepancy. How about a reweigh and verify all tanks are empty, the scale operator is sober, ..... nevermind, I think the difference is due to the US/C $ exchange rate. (In other words, your dry weight does not compute! But I don't know what is wrong.)

Option 1: Shrug and go camping.
Option 2: Try another scale, double check your math and the numbers. If you get under 3000 - go camping. If you get over 3500 go to option 3. If between 3000 and 3500, it's up to you.
Option 3: Verify all tanks empty (LP doesn't really matter), take all gear out, reweigh and verify the 3740 - at least weigh the truck alone and the truck trailer combo. If you double check your math and still get 3500+ I would weigh each tire and the king pin individually - loads of fun, hitching, moving, unhitching, weighing, ...
Look for big discrepancies.

And let us know what you decide/find.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:54 PM   #56
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Thanks for cranking out all the calculations...I'll add a little glitch: One propane tank was empty. BUT, our scale weight for the trailer was 3340 not 3740...so we are trying to identify about 600#.
Subtract about 20# for propane, 200# (being generous) for gear inside trailer and we are trying to find 380# Getting closer...
We had just dumped prior to weighing (at the same station) so I think everything was really empty....emptied the hot water at home.
Probably will reweigh in the spring.....
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Old 10-30-2013, 10:03 PM   #57
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Husband just informed that the empty tank weighed about 16#...so a full tank would weigh about 35. One full and one empty would be about 50#.
Discrepancy is about 350#
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weight from the factory

If you are concerned about your actual weights, just go weigh your trailer. You need the tongue weights as stated in various places, the tires should not be overloaded, nor should the axles. The weight on the left and right side should be close or you need to move something. Then set up your hitch properly and you will appreciate the feel of a good set up. While on this subject, I again state that the new to me Anderson hitch is very good, although I do have a few groans as I turn, but less than with the bars of a WDH.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:24 AM   #59
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If you are concerned about your actual weights, just go weigh your trailer.
I agree, but some owners are finding that the actual weight - measured at a scale - doesn't match the expected weight... and that leads to the current discussion.
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