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Old 11-13-2013, 09:22 AM   #1
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Weight of a 21

We picked up the trailer with about 600# of stuff in the back of the Jeep. We knew how much as we drove across a truck scale in Oregon on our way North. The Jeep was 600# heavier than normal. We then moved everything into the trailer and weighed it again. With the Anderson WDH hooked up the Jeep weighed about 6000# and each side of the trailer weighed 1800#. So I had about 700# transfered to the TV with tongue weight and WDH transfer. I checked the scale for accuracy by stepping out and the difference was my weight. When I arrived home I weighed the tongue before emptying the trailer, about 550# at that time and then when empty the tongue was about 300#. I use the word about because of variations in level and fluids.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:55 AM   #2
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So the Escape 21' , wet, weighs 3600# including 550# t/w, based upon the above numbers?
What do you estimate the dry weight to be?
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:30 PM   #3
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Thanks Jack.

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So the Escape 21' , wet, weighs 3600# including 550# t/w, based upon the above numbers?
I don't think so, Jim:
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With the Anderson WDH hooked up the Jeep weighed about 6000# and each side of the trailer weighed 1800#. So I had about 700# transfered to the TV with tongue weight and WDH transfer.
So 700 lb of the trailer and contents were carried by the Jeep, and 3600 lb were carred by the trailer axles. That's 4500 pounds, including 600 lb of cargo, leaving 3900 pounds of empty trailer... but we don't know if that is wet or dry. We also have no idea of the hitch weight at this point, except that it should be more than 700 lb.

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When I arrived home I weighed the tongue before emptying the trailer, about 550# at that time and then when empty the tongue was about 300#.
Here we have the empty (still don't know if wet or dry) tongue weight of 300 lb. We also see that about 1/3 of the 600 lb of cargo was carried by the tongue.

So the empty (but don't know if wet or dry) trailer weighs about 3900 pounds, including 300 pounds of tongue weight.

With published base dry weight and tongue weight of 3060 and 360 pounds, I can only speculate that Jack had both optional equipment and water onboard, and that the tank(s) are rearward of the axle centre... increasing the weight and decreasing the tongue weight. Loading the cargo relatively forward resulted in a good weight distribution. There is enough missing information and uncertainty that it is not apparent if the WDH transferred a roughly reasonable amount of load; with 550 lb of tongue weight and the WD engaged, less than 550 lb (not 700 lb) should have been added to the Jeep.

The changing fluid load really does matter to any interpretation of the numbers.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:33 PM   #4
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We picked up the trailer with about 600# of stuff in the back of the Jeep. We knew how much as we drove across a truck scale in Oregon on our way North. The Jeep was 600# heavier than normal. We then moved everything into the trailer and weighed it again. With the Anderson WDH hooked up the Jeep weighed about 6000# and each side of the trailer weighed 1800#. So I had about 700# transfered to the TV with tongue weight and WDH transfer.
Jack, are you saying that the normal (no trailer, no cargo) weight of the Jeep is 5300 pounds?
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:13 PM   #5
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Thanks Brian, for your explanation.
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Someone gave a loaded weight previously for the 21' of 4200 lbs.
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I'd be happy with about 3800 lbs, wet, if possible, or about 500# more than the 19' was when loaded for the road. I'm going to have to go on a diet, perhaps, and only carry one set of items versus 2 of everything. Somethings I have carried around for 6 years and never needed. For example, I have 3 coffee pots, one for stovetop/outdoor stove and 2 electric models. Three grills, 2 propane and one butane. Five chairs? Two outdoor tables, one bike.
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:52 PM   #8
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One of the new owners shared with me that his lightly loaded 21 was 3740# total weight.
Sounds like he had everything needed to camp, but no food or clothing (& no extras).
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Escape 21 weights

OK, so here goes. I'm not totally secure with all this, but I'll give you what I have. First of all I measured my new 21 with a light load of equipment. We had virtually everything needed to camp (stoves, chairs, kitchen equipment, bedding, tools, chalks, mirrors, and some clothing), but we didn't have any food, extra bedding towels, etc. inside. We also had one full and one empty propane tank. The scale measurements were made with water only in the water heater, all other tanks were empty. The Anderson was on-board, but not adjusted.

Front axle of truck on scale (trailer connected); 2420#
Both axles of truck on scale (trailer connected); 5360#
Truck and trailer on scale; 8560#
Trailer only on scale (connected to truck); 3360#

My truck normally weighs 4900#, but I can't be sure of it's weight without the trailer on that day. So if I'm doing this right, the calculated tongue weight is (Truck's both axles on scale - assumed truck weight ) or 460#. Add to that the trailer only weight from the scale of 3360# and we get a total of 3820#.

The problem arises when I get home and put the Sherline tongue weight scale under it and it tells me that the tongue weight is only 380#. If this is true, then my truck weighed more on that day which placed the trailer at (trailer only on scale + Sherline measurement), or 3740#.

I messed around with tongue weight further as follows:
Sherline tongue weight with front box containing; hitch chains, compressor, mirrors, leveling block kit, Anderson quick levelers, and 2 jack wheels = 380#

Removed from the front box; 2 wheels, compressor, and hitch chains = 360#

Removed from the front box; leveling block kit and Anderson quick levelers = 350#
Added carrier and 2 bikes to the rear of the trailer = 300#
put everything back in the box including a 18V drill = 350#
Removed bikes = 380#
Filled the fresh water tank = 340#
Emptied fresh water tank = 380#

At the end of this sequence, I ran out of daylight.
Coming from a metrology lab, I'm not nearly done testing. The Sherline scale has enough abnormalities that I question it's accuracy (even though this is the second one they've sent me).

Hope this helps in some way.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:03 PM   #10
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The Anderson was on-board, but not adjusted.
I'm not sure that I understand... the Anderson No-Sway WDH was installed (mounted on the trailer and perhaps the plate was pinned on the ball shaft, but was it loose (no tension on the chains), or was it under tension but just not finally adjusted?
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