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Old 02-15-2011, 03:08 PM   #11
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Thanks for all the great input. Our tow vehicle is a 2008 Rav4 V6. I gather from what I've seen on various forums that quite a few of you are towing the Escape 17 with a Rav. Any feedback on that?

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Old 02-15-2011, 03:56 PM   #12
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RAV4 V6 and 17B is my perfect combo.

It gets reasonable mileage when I'm not towing and has the power to haul the trailer to merge speed on short highway on-ramps and up long hills.

Only change I would have made is to get the leather upholstery since we have a dog and the fabric covers collect hairs.

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Old 02-15-2011, 05:21 PM   #13
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Sounds good - what year is your Rav4? Ours is a 2008 4 wheel drive, and there seems to be some issue about needing to have a special towing package for towing more that 2000 lbs. (which we'd probably be over by the time we're loaded? ) but we're having trouble getting information about what exactly that is. We've tried talking to one dealership, but couldn't get an answer.
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Hi: dpsmith... Can't directly speak about the Toyota Tow Pack'g but for our Nissan Frontier what I would have gotten was a hitch I can't use and a wire harness that cost $80. from after mkt. source.
I might have to add a Tranny Cooler but I'm not sure yet. I found it really hard to get straight answers about towing from all sources Alf
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RAV4 V6 and 17B is my perfect combo.

It gets reasonable mileage when I'm not towing and has the power to haul the trailer to merge speed on short highway on-ramps and up long hills.

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The RAV4 V6 seems to be the way to go: my wife and I will start shopping for one as soon as the trailer is paid for.

I was hoping that Glen would be buying one of those German tricycles mentioned in a previous post and offering his RAV at a deep discount price

The new RAV4 v6 is rated for 37 mpg (Canadian gallons which are larger or smaller than the southern version). I wonder what the real world towing mpg would look like?

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Old 02-15-2011, 06:11 PM   #16
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The mention of special towing hitches could be that most bumper hitches may be limited to 2000pound tow weight and only about 250 pounds hitch weight.

I short bumpers may not be attached to a vehicle in a manner conducive to pulling heavy weights.

Therefore a hitch attached properly to the vehicle under carriage frame will carry and pull more weight.

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Old 02-15-2011, 06:14 PM   #17
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Below are some links and info that might be helpful as well as my opinion on the towing issue.

Travel Trailer Weight Calculator:http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-...eight-tt.shtml (make sure that you input all of the info asked for in order to get the most accurate calculation!)

Here's a forum that addresses the issue of Rav4 Towing package: http://rav4world.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=152499

Don't forget that the trailer weight (such as a 17B on the Escape website which is listed as 2100 lbs.) is without options, water, propane, or any of the gear that you add for camping. It doesn't take much to get it over the limit for a Rav4. (I think it is 3500 lbs for a V6 with tow package; without the tow package, max tow weight for a Rav4 is 1500 lbs.) 5 gallons of propane (not counting the tank) is about 21 pounds. 5 gallons of water is 42 pounds. You can get some good basic info about towing/terms at this link: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-tow-v...derstand.shtml

I think that many people are stretching the limit with what they tow and don't realize how dangerous it can be if they are. Towing more than is good for your vehicle will also cause it to wear out sooner. One of the issues is trailer sway; there are lots of factors that can cause that. Here's a good link for some general safety info: http://www.marxrv.com/ram/towsafe.htm

Edmunds.com has lots of info on specs of any given vehicle (check by going to used cars, then choose the make/model, etc.).

The way the trailer is loaded is also important. Lots of factors to consider and it really pays to do some research.

Good luck! Pete and I try to make sure we give plenty of leeway when making this decision (tow vehicle capacity) as we have had a few close calls over the years and know others who have had some dangerous moments as well. I think it is really a personal issue because it depends so much on what options your trailer has, how much gear you carry, how many passengers you haul, what kinds of roads you travel, and many other factors. I would not personally want to pull a 17ft. Escape with a Rav4, even though I know lots of folks do and seem to have no problems with it. It is not an easy decision. Pulling 3,000 or more pounds with a vehicle that weighs 3370 pounds (curb weight of Rav4 V6) could be a bit scary coming down some steep passes. Just my opinion.

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Sounds good - what year is your Rav4? Ours is a 2008 4 wheel drive, and there seems to be some issue about needing to have a special towing package for towing more that 2000 lbs. (which we'd probably be over by the time we're loaded? ) but we're having trouble getting information about what exactly that is. We've tried talking to one dealership, but couldn't get an answer.
I have a 2010 RAV4 with the the tow package. From Toyota:"Tow Prep Package" (V6 models only) -- includes 3500-lb. towing capacity, upgraded radiator, fan coupling and alternator". It does not include a hitch, or the wiring for the trailer (at least in the US. It may be different in Canada).

I bought the wiring kit from Brandsport for around $130.00, less expensive than our local dealer. I installed it myself because I also wanted to add a brake controller & charge line, neither of which our dealer would do.

I found This Web Page helpful for doing the installation. Toyota's instructions leave a lot to be desired.
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:38 PM   #19
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Sounds good - what year is your Rav4? Ours is a 2008 4 wheel drive, and there seems to be some issue about needing to have a special towing package for towing more that 2000 lbs. (which we'd probably be over by the time we're loaded? ) but we're having trouble getting information about what exactly that is. We've tried talking to one dealership, but couldn't get an answer.
I have 2008 RAV4 V6 Sport. It has a "tow package" of sorts. See other posts in thread. Canadian models have this standard. In the U.S. it is optional. It includes an extra oil cooler or transmission cooler ( I can't remember which ) and such. However, you still have to get a hitch receiver and wiring and the Toyota factory hitch is only class II. You need class III to use an equalizer hitch. My dealer - Jim Pattison in North Vancouver - had a installer come into their shop and install a class three Hidden Hitch, the wiring and brake controller ( which I provided ) for $650. Had I gone with the Toyota factory hitch it would have been almost $1,000 and the brake controller install would have been extra and it would have been inadequate.
A buddy got his class III hitch installed in a Hyundai at U-Haul for $600.

If you use the search feature on the top right of this site, you can look up previous posts on towing with RAV4 and mileage.

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Old 02-15-2011, 08:02 PM   #20
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I would not personally want to pull a 17ft. Escape with a Rav4, even though I know lots of folks do and seem to have no problems with it. It is not an easy decision. Pulling 3,000 or more pounds with a vehicle that weighs 3370 pounds (curb weight of Rav4 V6) could be a bit scary coming down some steep passes. Just my opinion.

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I use the equalizer hitch and I've had no problems with sway or long, steep hills like the Coquihalla. That said, it is a compromise, balancing my everyday needs and a comfortable, safe, tow for the 17B.

Last time I weighed the trailer ( hitched to the RAV ) I got 2,816 lbs. on the trailer axle. Then I weighed the hitch. According to the Sherline hitch scale manual, you add the tongue weight from the hitch reading ( which was 300 ) to that to get the total weight - 3,116 llbs.

That leaves about 400 lbs of margin to the 3,500 tow rating, which isn't a lot. BTW, the Hidden Hitch rating is 4,000 lbs. for their RAV4 hitch.

I leave the vacuum at home and bring badminton instead of bocce balls.

All I can say is that in practice I have had no concerns with the combination of RAV4 and 17B, towing it from BC, over the mountains to Alberta, down to Iowa and back through Washington State.

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