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Old 07-14-2014, 11:46 AM   #21
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This truck has almost 1000 ft pounds of torque; definitely will pull a 19....

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Old 07-23-2014, 04:49 PM   #22
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Honda Pilot hitch receiver problem

I posted in this thread on towing a 19' because I just had a problem towing my 19' and it is related to my tow vehicle.

Well, I've been successfully pulling my 19' with my 2010 Honda Pilot 4WD for almost 2 years with an EqualIzer WDH and noticed a problem two days ago when hauling the trailer up to a 7,000ft campground in the Sierra Mountains in California. I was driving after dark and oncoming drivers were giving me their high lights constantly. At a gas stop I noticed that the Pilot front end was high and the back was low as if the WDH was not there. I took a closer look after setting up camp the next morning. The Pilot hitch receiver is bending upward which makes the WDH not work correctly. I looked under the Pilot at the receiver tube mounting and was surprised at how lightweight the whole assembly is. The entire mounting is constructed of formed sheet metal. It looks like the sheet metal form the receiver tube is welded to is bending upward. With my tongue weight at the top end of the Honda Pilot spec and the WDH forces the towing receiver just couldn't take it and bent. I also did not hit a big bump or rut on this trip so I suspect the problem has been gradual. I also checked all the welds and they are good. There is no immediate safety issue but it is obvious that this setup needs to be changed. I now know why the Pilot manual recommends no WDH. The towing assembly on the Honda Pilot is not designed to be strong enough for a WDH. Other Pilot owners should be aware.

When I get back I am going to pull the WDH off, lighten the tongue weight by reorganizing the trailer load and then I'm thinking about adding air bags inside my coil springs to level the truck when the trailer is attached. As long as I pull some weight off the trailer tongue I should be fine. I know some of you have installed air springs in your suspensions and would welcome your thoughts/advice...

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Old 07-23-2014, 05:03 PM   #23
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I posted in this thread on towing a 19' because I just had a problem towing my 19' and it is related to my tow vehicle.

Well, I've been successfully pulling my 19' with my 2010 Honda Pilot 4WD for almost 2 years with an EqualIzer WDH and noticed a problem two days ago when hauling the trailer up to a 7,000ft campground in the Sierra Mountains in California. I was driving after dark and oncoming drivers were giving me their high lights constantly. At a gas stop I noticed that the Pilot front end was high and the back was low as if the WDH was not there. I took a closer look after setting up camp the next morning. The Pilot hitch receiver is bending upward which makes the WDH not work correctly. I looked under the Pilot at the receiver tube mounting and was surprised at how lightweight the whole assembly is. The entire mounting is constructed of formed sheet metal. It looks like the sheet metal form the receiver tube is welded to is bending upward. With my tongue weight at the top end of the Honda Pilot spec and the WDH forces the towing receiver just couldn't take it and bent. I also did not hit a big bump or rut on this trip so I suspect the problem has been gradual. I also checked all the welds and they are good. There is no immediate safety issue but it is obvious that this setup needs to be changed. I now know why the Pilot manual recommends no WDH. The towing assembly on the Honda Pilot is not designed to be strong enough for a WDH. Other Pilot owners should be aware.

When I get back I am going to pull the WDH off, lighten the tongue weight by reorganizing the trailer load and then I'm thinking about adding air bags inside my coil springs to level the truck when the trailer is attached. As long as I pull some weight off the trailer tongue I should be fine. I know some of you have installed air springs in your suspensions and would welcome your thoughts/advice...

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I installed the airbags in the rear coil springs with a remote to the inside of the vehicle so I can adjust their inflation. Worked well when I hauled heavy items in the back hatch but I have not towed with the setup yet.

As for the hitch issues, was this the factory hitch? If so, sounds like Honda factory hitches aren't up to the task. I've never heard of a curt or hidden hitch being bent by a wdh.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:11 PM   #24
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I installed the airbags in the rear coil springs with a remote to the inside of the vehicle so I can adjust their inflation. Worked well when I hauled heavy items in the back hatch but I have not towed with the setup yet.

As for the hitch issues, was this the factory hitch? If so, sounds like Honda factory hitches aren't up to the task. I've never heard of a curt or hidden hitch being bent by a wdh.
Yes this is the factory hitch and since it's welded in you can't put an aftermarket one in. What vehicle did you install the airbags in and what equipment did you purchase?
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:15 PM   #25
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Yes this is the factory hitch and since it's welded in you can't put an aftermarket one in. What vehicle did you install the airbags in and what equipment did you purchase?
Used this one on my Lincoln MKX:
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Just read something on another forum about wdh use on Hondas. Like you I wondered why Honda says not to use a wdh. Seems that part of the answer is the unibody construction rather than body on frame. One of that forums members bent their receiver upward like you did when using a wdh.
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Or to be more precise, Honda's technique for unibody construction. Seems many other unibody vehicles don't have an issue with a wdh.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:30 PM   #27
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Although there are many good quality unibody vehicles rates to pull our trailers this is the reason why I prefer a full frame vehicle with a solid hitch . I too have air bags In the rear coils on our Yukon to assist the factory rear air shock leveling system
As the factory system is only rated for about 400 lbs which is about our tongue weight , the systems is Firestone ride rite and I have the on board compressor so it can be adjusted from the drivers seat . It works very well .
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:38 PM   #28
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As the factory system is only rated for about 400 lbs which is about our tongue weight , the systems is Firestone ride rite and I have the on board compressor so it can be adjusted from the drivers seat . It works very well .
Dave, this is the one I have my eye on. Airbags go inside the springs and the onboard compressor adjusts from the dash area. I had a similar setup on a Dodge Caravan that I pulled a popup with years ago. I also like the fact that I can travel heavier with my canoe on top sometimes and dial the system in for the current load.

Sorry to hijack this thread with the side conversation...THX!
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Toyota made the mistake of sending me a customer satisfaction questionnaire. I told them I wasn't going to fill it in because they haven't answered my questions. I explained I had asked Toyota Canada why they 'do not recommend a WDH' and they did not reply. I explained that I asked the service manager the same question and he didn't know and said he would email Toyota for the answer. A month later, I still had no answer, but I did have an email from Customer Relations saying that 'Toyota does not recommend WDH' and told me to ask my service manager why, since they, at Customer Relations, didn't know the technical reasons.
Apparently, they can't talk to their own people.
So, now I'm really irritated. Told them I was unlikely to buy another Toyota product and suggested in their advertising that they advise people not to tow over 45 mph, like it says in the manual. Still don't have an answer to WDH.
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Toyota made the mistake of sending me a customer satisfaction questionnaire. I told them I wasn't going to fill it in because they haven't answered my questions. I explained I had asked Toyota Canada why they 'do not recommend a WDH' and they did not reply. I explained that I asked the service manager the same question and he didn't know and said he would email Toyota for the answer. A month later, I still had no answer, but I did have an email from Customer Relations saying that 'Toyota does not recommend WDH' and told me to ask my service manager why, since they, at Customer Relations, didn't know the technical reasons.
Apparently, they can't talk to their own people.
So, now I'm really irritated. Told them I was unlikely to buy another Toyota product and suggested in their advertising that they advise people not to tow over 45 mph, like it says in the manual. Still don't have an answer to WDH.
Seems one guy did get a response. Here's a snip from another forum I've read:

"According to the guy who replied to me from Toyota Canada, he said the you cannot use WDHs with the Highlander or the RAV4 because it is too hard on the unibody construction."
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