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Old 09-16-2016, 06:50 PM   #31
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Two cents:
When we moved away from VW's decades ago, I asked a friend who owned an auto parts store about reliable brands. His answer (which has not changed in successive years when I have re-asked the question): He sells the least repair parts for Honda and Toyotas.
We and our family members have owned a bunch of Hondas and three Toyotas. Hondas: replace the timing belt and water pump at about 100k miles & you're good to go. Toyotas: 1985 Camry trans failure at 90k miles. Prius and Corolla are less than 100k miles and doing fine.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:34 PM   #32
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I have always assumed that CU also uses Carfax data and can mine it for reliability.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:38 PM   #33
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A friend is an experienced auto mechanic who has worked for several dealers and private shops and he drives an older Toyota Sequoia to tow his trailer. He has stated Toyotas are the most reliable. When I compare my vehicle ownership experiences with what Consumer Reports states for reliability I seem to come to similar conclusions. Our Jeep GC's we owned towed well when they were not in the shop, our Honda's were pretty reliable, our Nissan not so much, and our Toyota has been the best so far.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:41 PM   #34
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Anyone can read more here:

CU auto testing

reliability:

and I quote

"The latest large-scale survey collected detailed data on more than 740,000 vehicles, giving us a solid source for chronicling past reliability and predicting future performance."

Guide to Car Reliability | Owner Satisfaction - Consumer Reports

and testing new cars:

How Consumer Reports Tests Cars - Consumer Reports

Well, the text "CU auto testing" and "reliability" are not links to anything, and I waited several minutes for the two linked pages (re: reliability, testing) to load anything, with only blank results. At first I thought that they were probably for CU subscribers only... which is the problem with their surveys: they are only of CU members, which is very far from a representative cross-section. After another extended attempt (while other web traffic was working fine) an article finally loaded - I guess they didn't read their own consumer advice for buyers of web hosting services!

The auto testing facilities and methods which they describe sound good, but decades of questionable published reviews destroy the confidence of many of us in the results. Maybe they're good now.

Here's the survey problem, from the CU reliability page:
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Consumer Reports surveys our magazine and website subscribers...
Anyway, all objective input is valuable, so I'm not suggesting that CU subscribers should disregard CU's auto advice... just don't take it as the ultimate authority.
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:24 PM   #35
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Anyway, all objective input is valuable, so I'm not suggesting that CU subscribers should disregard CU's auto advice... just don't take it as the ultimate authority.
I start a lot of my shopping research on consumer reports. To me it's a valuable resource and I make an effort to take part in their surveys. I try be honest and accurate, good or bad.
However taking the surveys has actually given me the proverbial grain of salt to take with their advice. Last year for example, I couldn't complete the survey until I entered the gas milage for my fully electric car.
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:28 PM   #36
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I have always assumed that CU also uses Carfax data and can mine it for reliability.
I haven't seen a real (as opposed to advertising example) Carfax report, but I have similar CarProof reports for two cars I was considering (one of which I purchased) in my most recent round of shopping. There is no reliability information in these reports, and even some of the possible information is absent; they contain only insurance claims, liens, and registrations. A vehicle could have broken down daily, and at least CarProof would provide no indication of that... and how would it? There is no reason for dealer or other service shops to submit maintenance, repair, or warranty claim information to an outside party, such as Carfax or CarProof. The car which I purchased was serviced regularly at the dealership where is was first purchased (and where I bought it used after it was traded in) and the CarProof report gives no indication of that.

Car history reports may lack key data, investigation finds - Manitoba - CBC News
... so these reports are not even reliable sources of collision data. Reliability data is not even mentioned in this article, because the reports don't contain any of that.
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I start a lot of my shopping research on consumer reports. To me it's a valuable resource and I make an effort to take part in their surveys. I try be honest and accurate, good or bad.
That makes sense to me.

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However taking the surveys has actually given me the proverbial grain of salt to take with their advice. Last year for example, I couldn't complete the survey until I entered the gas milage for my fully electric car.
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Old 09-16-2016, 11:21 PM   #38
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not scientific, but in the recent past prior to shopping at the dealer went to several of the more reputable auto repair shops (if there is such a thing) in the city...walked in and where possible got permission to ask the mechanics ...of the top 3 brand full size trucks what brands do you repair most with major repairs and what brand the least...GM the most repairs, Ford, then Ram with the least...being an auto repair shop and not a dealer shop these are probably major out of warranty repairs...yes they had their favorites if they owned a truck but that was not the question asked and yes more Fords and GM are sold than Ram. The answers though pretty much aligned with previous experiences...owned a GM truck and it had a major problem after a week off the showroom floor, owned a Ford Explorer for many years but like a lot of people said would happen...the front end suspension/steering stuff had to be rebuilt/replaced at about 100K miles and the head gaskets were next in line.... never owned a Ram so what the heck...giving it a try...if it don't work out maybe someday a Toyota.
The GM Corvette is ok but there ain't no trailer hitch.....
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not scientific, but in the recent past prior to shopping at the dealer went to several of the more reputable auto repair shops (if there is such a thing) in the city...:
That's better than personal ancedotes, but it may say as much about dealer service as it does about the trucks: perhaps the local Ford dealer(s) have better service departments than the GM dealers, so most of the Ford trucks needing repair don't appear in the independent shops?

A neighbor of mine is a heavy-duty mechanic and does auto repair jobs out of his home as well. He says the Ford trucks (he sees mostly SuperDuties, not F-150s) are particularly bad for front-end wear and failure, at far short of 100,000 miles. It really depends who you ask.

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The GM Corvette is ok but there ain't no trailer hitch...
Ah, but it can. One of the most interesting examples is the Corvette used to tow a Corvette-themed (with Corvette engine) ski boat:

Yes, the 'Vette is really towing that boat. I'm not suggesting this.
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Consumer reports is a great magazine but it's not always reliable. Most Fords are sold for fleets and that's where the reliability issue changes. If a person buys a truck and carrys a 25 pound bag of dog food and two 25 pound bags of potting soil once a year it's not the same as someone who uses a truck for a mobile tire repair with toolboxes and on the highway all the time.
Government agencies and companies depend on their trucks for reliability and the speed of their repairs.
Ford sold over 780,000 trucks last year compared to Toyota at 118,000. Most of those Fords were sold for commercial purposes. Of course the Super Duty is the one mechanics and parts dealers see the most, there's over 650,000 more Fords than Toyotas!
I've done the research and asked the questions and the F-150 is the truck for me. Here's the facts.

Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: December 2015 - PickupTrucks.com News
https://www.cars.com/articles/what-w...1420683052307/
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