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Old 02-27-2015, 08:24 AM   #21
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When you think about it, all of our national parks/sites once belonged to the native americans...
Indeed...a point worth remembering now and then....
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Old 02-27-2015, 10:27 AM   #22
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Right on, and same goes for their Antelope Canyon tours, near Page, AZ, which at around eighty bucks for two people is absurd. Maybe visitors from another planet will shell out, but a rip-off is a rip off in any language.
Having toured the upper Antelope Canyon twice & the Lower Antelope Canyon once, I have to agree that it is expensive, particularly the photo tours for the upper, but as a location for a photographer, it is well worth it. I've visited many other slot canyons, but the colors & the light at Antelope is magnificent.

If you want to do the upper canyon (easier walking, but very controlled) do it in April or May (or in the winter) before the crowds arrive, and if you are a photographer, be willing to pay extra for the photo tour. The photo tour guides will clear sections of the canyon so you can take images without people, and they know the exact times for the shafts of light to illuminate the different sections of the canyon. While it was $65.00 for the tour with Carol Bigthumb's organization in 2011, I see it is now $88.00.

The lower canyon is less developed, is far less crowded, but requires climbing ladders & staircases to get through. I don't find it as photogenic, but if you have a tripod and SLR camera they turn you loose on your own for 2 hours. In 2012 it was $26.00 for the "Photographer's Pass".

Here is some information (and photos) from my visits: Antelope Canyon

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Old 02-27-2015, 10:35 AM   #23
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Yeah, I'll pass. I remember the last time we went to 4 Corners they charged us just to see the USGS Marker -- that they didn't fund but the taxpayers did. I understand its on Navajo land but it smacked of money grubbing to me. YMMV.
Went to 4 corners last summer just as all of the craft sellers were packing up for the day. Was a very hot day, the new bathrooms were not open and the porta cans were brimming. Paid $15 for the opportunity to use those disgusting facilities and spend two minutes taking a couple pics. Agree with others that it was a tremendous ripoff.
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Also went to Antelope canyon last summer. Thought the tour was great. The ride out in the back of the open trucks was a bit crazy. Overall the $40 entrance fee was well spent for a first visit. Don't know that we would do it a second time for that cost.
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When you think about it, all of our national parks/sites once belonged to the native americans...
Monument Valley never was a National Monument or a National Park. It has been part of the Navajo Reservation for over 100 years.
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I did not say Monument Valley was, just saying that all of our natural beauty was once theirs.
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Old 02-27-2015, 11:20 AM   #27
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Monument Valley never was a National Monument or a National Park. It has been part of the Navajo Reservation for over 100 years.

Here is a nice history of Monument Valley from Smithsonian:
Behind the Scenes in Monument Valley- page 1 | Travel | Smithsonian
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The concept of land ownership is artificial hoo-blap. You cannot own land. You can only exploit it. If a picture (of land) is worth a thousand words it may well be worth a thousand bucks, even more, if you make your living taking them. For me, the hunt is the thing. Any confessed,certified, picture taking addict like myself loves the intense satisfaction gained from scouting, planning, composing, and capturing such uniquely wonderful, though easy, prey like Monument Valley, Antelope Canyon, and the like. We can’t help ourselves.

It boils down to two personal questions: Do I want the shot, and, how bad do I want it? After seeing the cost of those two places, guess I did not want it bad enough.
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I did not say Monument Valley was, just saying that all of our natural beauty was once theirs.
I guess it depends how far back you want to go. It's my understanding that every living soul in the Americas is descended from migrants from another continent.

Interesting concept, that one group by virtue of being here longer has special rights while others, no matter whether their ancestors have been here for many generations, have no more rights than someone who swore their oath of citizenship yesterday. OK, rant over.

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Wasn't so far back in time England claimed ownership of the sea. Anyone know who in a few hundred years will own current BLM land in Quartzsite?
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