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Old 03-08-2015, 07:42 AM   #21
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Where did you spend the night? thought everything would be closed .
We spent two nights in the parking lot at Elmore State Park.

Regarding use of the tanks in winter. I am not sure that enough heat would migrate through the floor to keep the tanks liquid. The tank heaters will do this but there is still a problem. The three foot 3" diameter pipe running from the black tank to the dump valve is not heated by the tank heaters and will eventually reach ambient temps IMO, even with the spray on insulation. The liquid in the tanks is damed up by the semi solids in the pipe. It took 80 bucks and three days in a heated garage for us to thaw out and dump 10 days ago.
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Old 03-08-2015, 10:17 AM   #22
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When winter camping I either one, keep the trailer water system winterized and not use the toilet or do use the toilet for liquid only and flush with antifreeze. Two, if water is available I use a heated hose and dewintierize the trailer and use the entire water system as it was intended. I then flush a lot of heated water into the black and grey tanks before dumping. The heated hose keeps the water warmer into the toilet and with the water heater into the sinks I can keep the tanks useable.
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Old 03-08-2015, 12:26 PM   #23
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We spent two nights in the parking lot at Elmore State Park.

Regarding use of the tanks in winter. I am not sure that enough heat would migrate through the floor to keep the tanks liquid. The tank heaters will do this but there is still a problem. The three foot 3" diameter pipe running from the black tank to the dump valve is not heated by the tank heaters and will eventually reach ambient temps IMO, even with the spray on insulation. The liquid in the tanks is damed up by the semi solids in the pipe. It took 80 bucks and three days in a heated garage for us to thaw out and dump 10 days ago.
It would be quite feasible to wrap the pipes, fresh, grey and black, underneath the trailer with heat tape. With tank heaters and foam insulation, plus a heated fresh water hose, I think one would be OK at any temp. Need to wrap the sewer hose with heat tape and insulation also. The gotcha is that the system needs 120V power to work, boondocking would be out. But with a generator....

Just a question of how far you want to go. I think I'll spend the effort finding warmer country though. :-)
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Old 03-08-2015, 01:28 PM   #24
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Yes, electric is a necessity in winter camping, particularly for use of electric heaters and electric heated water hoses and electric pipe heaters.
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Old 03-08-2015, 03:21 PM   #25
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Need to wrap the sewer hose with heat tape and insulation also.
I've seen lots of RVs used in Alberta and B.C. winter conditions, and I've done it myself. The normal approach is to heat-trace the water supply hose, but not the sewer hose. The sewer dump valve is only opened long enough to empty the tank, so freezing in the dump hose is generally not an issue - nothing sits in it. To be sure that it drains fully so nothing sits in it, maintaining a continuous downslope toward the sewer is important; a hose left in place (long-term setup, rather than putting the hose away each time) normally involves some sort of ramp, such as the common accordion-fold sewer hose supports.
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My cold weather concern with the escape black & gray tanks is not so much the tanks - there is expansion room in them, but for the drains. Since the gate valves are at the end of the 2" & 3" drain pipes, they will solidly fill with water before the tanks; exposure to cold air might cause them to freeze enough to crack...
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Wouldn't a half gallon of RV antifreeze take care of that, if you poured it in before using the tanks?
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That is my thinking also, Glenn. Using some antifreeze in both the black and grey tanks should keep the valve operational, particularly if you have the foam. Also running hot water right before dumping would help.
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Old 03-09-2015, 12:52 AM   #29
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Wouldn't a half gallon of RV antifreeze take care of that, if you poured it in before using the tanks?
Only if you don't put wastewater in the tank after it, or it doesn't get too cold. Unlike automotive antifreeze which works properly at about 50% concentration, plumbing antifreeze is not supposed to be diluted. If the antifreeze stayed separate and sat down in the drain it would be fine, but this isn't oil and water, it's a fluid which is intended to mix completely with water. Of course, if the outside temperature barely gets below freezing, very little antifreeze effect is needed and it might work. Doing nothing at all might work, too.
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excited my trailer is being de-winterized and waxed ready for camping!!
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