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Old 05-10-2015, 07:06 AM   #21
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Apparently the way you OPEN the tank valves has a bearing on this issue. If you open them too fast an automatic cut off valve of some sort (installed to activate if the tank turns over) activates. Turn the tanks on slowly and there is no problem.

Since then we have had the trailer in as cold as -23F with no propane problems. Water at those temps is another issue however. As othes have suggested, dry camping is your safest bet, using a porta potty bag in the existing toilet is something I want to try. If you want to continue using the toilet, be advised that 100% pink stuff WILL FREESE at 0 degrees F, I tested it. The stuff turns into a slurry similar to a snowcone, not solid, but it won't flow along the 3' pvc pipe which connects the black water tank to the dump valve on the 17. Which brings me to a design flaw in this unit. Even with the tank heaters on, you still have a problem dumping in weather colder than, say 25 degrees F as this pipe, while insulated, is not heated by the tank heaters and the liquids in it will eventually turn to slurry and will not dump. I have suggested to Escape they install a second gate valve right next to the black water tank such that this pipe is empty until it is dumped but no response from them. I plan on having my mechanic design an insulated, ridgid fiberglass cover for the entire dump system including the valves. That space will be heated by installing a small diverter duct at the propane heater conveniently located just above the dump valves in the 17, and direct hot air down into this space via an intake and exit hole drilled through the floor. To dump, we'll just drop the hinged cover to the ground and operate the warm dump system normally--thats the plan anyway.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:14 AM   #22
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When using a cassette toilet, with it's own water supply in my T@da, I used automotive windshield washer fluid, good to -35 degrees F. That said, I see no reason not to use the same in my Escape to flush with while the rest of the trailer remains winterized.
I also use a heated water supply hose if water is available without any issues. Right before dumping I pour some hot water into my gray and black tanks on the way to the dump or if hooked up, no issues doing this down to -0-.
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:47 AM   #23
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I use the climate control equipment that is in front of the trailer and go to a warmer climate. No freeze problem then.
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:30 AM   #24
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I use the climate control equipment that is in front of the trailer and go to a warmer climate. No freeze problem then.
Pretty much my take on A/C.

We can go below freezing any month of the year in Colorado. It's one of several reasons we opted to go without a bathroom.

I've been more concerned with snow loading over the last month. We got 3' of very heavy snow overnight a couple of weeks ago. The trailer did fine; but it certainly made me nervous.
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Old 05-10-2015, 11:50 AM   #25
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I would think pouring a pot full of hotwater down the flushy would take care of any slushy issue when you want to dump. What am I missing?
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:08 PM   #26
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I would think pouring a pot full of hotwater down the flushy would take care of any slushy issue when you want to dump. What am I missing?
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:23 PM   #27
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I would think pouring a pot full of hotwater down the flushy would take care of any slushy issue when you want to dump. What am I missing?
I confess I never tried that. I am skeptible that hot water will migrate the 3' to the gate valve to thaw it. Nice alliteration btw. As I think on it, wouldn't work as you are pouring hot water into the tank where it will be diluted, not direclty into the frozen pipe.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:28 PM   #28
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Are we talking apples and oranges here? Are the configurations of the dump systems in the larger trailers similar to the 17? or is the horizontal run of pipe from the black tank to the dump valve shorter?
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Skeptible i say!
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Old 05-10-2015, 05:03 PM   #30
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Are the configurations of the dump systems in the larger trailers similar to the 17? or is the horizontal run of pipe from the black tank to the dump valve shorter?
In the original 17', the dump valve was right at floor level, so essentially attached directly to the tank and it couldn't be shorter... with the run to the hose connection sitting empty when not actually dumping. Has the valve been moved?

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I would think pouring a pot full of hotwater down the flushy would take care of any slushy issue when you want to dump. What am I missing?
Maybe just that the heat energy required to melt ice is forty times greater than the heat energy of cooling the mass of water from boiling to freezing temperature, so a two litre (two quart) pot of boiling water will only melt 50 mL (a couple ounces) of ice... and that the hot water tend not to go where the ice is.
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