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04-13-2015, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
IINM, Escape now installs or rather the unit comes with one already installed, check with ETI.
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Again, as I have already stated, the Dometic SmartStart single phase soft starter processor that Klaus is selling is not the small smart start capacitor that was installed on our 2013 Escape 19. The smart start that Reace is referring to is a small start capacitor. The AC would barely start with a Yamaha 2800SI generator with the converter turned off. The startup was even worse after the AC compressor had run and both the low and high side had equal pressures.
I installed a http://www.amazon.com/SUPCO-SPP6-Sta.../dp/B0002YTLFE
Selecting a SUPCO boost capacitor for a Dometic 600312.331c Roof top AC
Use the SPP6 for your application. Connect it to COM and HERM terminals. All the original components should remain connected
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04-13-2015, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BCnomad
Can anyone explain in simple terms what the smartstart does that the Reace installed capacitor doesn't do? In other words, how is it "better"?
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I think that the Dometic AC units were updated with the capacitor before they were delivered to ETI.
http://marine.dometicgroup.com/en/pr...ft_starter.php
Lots of information to be found searching the internet for Dometic SmartStart. Very little can be found through Dometic help lines.
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04-13-2015, 07:30 PM
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How did this post get merged with a post from 2010 and title of the origional post changed ??
The order of the posts were also changed changing context.
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04-13-2015, 07:34 PM
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The most recent posts appeared to be replicating what was in the older post and both were getting current responses, so they were merged. Do you prefer to keep them separate?
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04-13-2015, 07:44 PM
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The merging is probably not going to help Klaus sell the SmartStart which was the intent of the origional post.
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04-13-2015, 07:46 PM
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I sent Klaus a p/m asking if he wishes to post it in the "for Sale" section of the forum.
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04-13-2015, 07:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
I sent Klaus a p/m asking if he wishes to post it in the "for Sale" section of the forum.
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Good idea.
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04-13-2015, 07:50 PM
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Thanks...
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07-25-2015, 01:30 PM
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So I'm a bit confused-nothing new. We have a 2000w Yamaha generator that we got 2 years ago, but never used. With either the 19' or the 21' A/C, can that be used? Meaning does the current A/C have that starter thing that would allow the generator to run the A/C without killing either? Thanks as always.
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07-25-2015, 02:09 PM
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As far as I know, Reace has tested the AC installed by Escape with only the Honda eu2000i generator, and it works. There are several caveats however. First, you probably cannot run much else. Second, the tests were done at Escape, which is not far above sea level. The higher you go, the more power you'll need.
If I were in the generator market to run an AC unit (I'm not), I would probably opt for the Honda EU3000IS. That will do the job regardless of your location, and do it relatively quietly. of course, it's twice as much money, larger, and heavier.
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07-25-2015, 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanj04011
So I'm a bit confused-nothing new. We have a 2000w Yamaha generator that we got 2 years ago, but never used. With either the 19' or the 21' A/C, can that be used? Meaning does the current A/C have that starter thing that would allow the generator to run the A/C without killing either? Thanks as always.
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The current Dometic Ac units in Escape TT's have a soft start capacitor and not the Dometic SmartStart solid state system. A 2000 generator is marginal for power the AC even with all other electronics turned off . If you hear the AC struggle you may damage it and wear it out prematurely.
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07-25-2015, 04:00 PM
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07-25-2015, 04:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubal
The current Dometic Ac units in Escape TT's have a soft start capacitor and not the Dometic SmartStart solid state system. A 2000 generator is marginal for power the AC even with all other electronics turned off . If you hear the AC struggle you may damage it and wear it out prematurely.
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This is sound advice. If you must have a generator to run your AC, go with something adequate to the task.
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07-25-2015, 04:48 PM
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Rbryan, I think you hit the nail on the head. I have found that over the years trying to get by on a marginal combination of equipment components leads to anxiety that is unnecessary when for a little more money you can King Kong the situation. I know weights and size and costs are all valid considerations but in my old age I just tend to save till I have the bucks and when I go, I go first boat. One of my arborists
used to say " if you don't have time to do it right the first time, when you gonna find time to do it the second time?" I live by that a lot of times.
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07-25-2015, 04:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rfs
Rbryan, I think you hit the nail on the head. I have found that over the years trying to get by on a marginal combination of equipment components leads to anxiety that is unnecessary when for a little more money you can King Kong the situation. I know weights and size and costs are all valid considerations but in my old age I just tend to save till I have the bucks and when I go, I go first boat. One of my arborists
used to say " if you don't have time to do it right the first time, when you gonna find time to do it the second time?" I live by that a lot of times.
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Corollary...my father used to say "Never enough money to do it right the first time, but funny how people find the money when it needs to be redone".
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07-25-2015, 05:23 PM
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We use a Yamaha 2400 to run the AC in our 21 and have never had an issue. Running it on line AC, it appears to draw about 14 Amps according to the power monitoring display in our trailer.
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07-25-2015, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TAfraser
We use a Yamaha 2400 to run the AC in our 21 and have never had an issue. Running it on line AC, it appears to draw about 14 Amps according to the power monitoring display in our trailer.
Tom
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That is consistent with a discussion we had on this same topic on this forum about 1-1/2 yrs ago. If I was to seriously consider a generator to power the AC, I would also go with the Yamaha 2400.
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