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Old 11-10-2014, 08:32 AM   #1
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WINTER WARNING for 5.0TA owners

Hi: All... I don't like the idea of running antifreeze thru the supply lines. Don't mind it in the drains. After blowing out all lines and draining all tanks I found the pump supply line had enough water just outside the fresh tank to cause a problem!!!
I had disconnected the lines from the pump so I did the old manual blow by mouth trick and the water went back into the fresh tank. I hope it evaporates from there as there was enough to freeze solid and crack the line. Alf
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:19 AM   #2
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Alf, after blowing the lines did you run the pump for 20-30 seconds as suggested from ETI?
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:26 AM   #3
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This was the same issue I had in my 21' Escape, the supply line was holding water, even after running the pump 30 seconds. Next time I'm going to tilt the trailer nose down and see if that helps. Can not remove the line for blowing. IMHO a low point drain between the fresh tank in the rear and the pump in the front would solve this issue.
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:31 AM   #4
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Alf, after blowing the lines did you run the pump for 20-30 seconds as suggested from ETI?
Hi: Donna D... Yes I did. After winterizing the trailer I moved it to the front yard and left the spigot open from the fresh tank. Water poured out in a stream down the drive but some residual water stayed in the line to the pump. That could cause a big problem!!! Alf
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Old 11-10-2014, 10:37 AM   #5
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Thanks, Alf. I guess I need to go to the storage place today and see if that is also true for 21s. We are getting about 6" of snow today. High of 28 degrees Fahrenheit. Winter is here...
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Well dang. Guess I'd better check it too. Thanks for the heads up Alf!
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Thanks for the heads up, I checked my 21 and also had a small amount of water in the line. I just dissconnected and let it drain. Hopefully that will be sufficient
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For those with a winterizing kit installed, and use it, this is not an issue. I can see how it would be for those without.
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:23 PM   #9
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Alf, after blowing the lines did you run the pump for 20-30 seconds as suggested from ETI?
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Hi: Donna D... Yes I did. After winterizing the trailer I moved it to the front yard and left the spigot open from the fresh tank. Water poured out in a stream down the drive but some residual water stayed in the line to the pump.
Okay Alf, but did you run the pump after draining the tank and before blowing out the lines?

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Method 1 - Compressed Air (Dry)
1. Purchase 1 gallon of RV non-toxic anti-freeze.
2. Drain the fresh water tank and empty the waste water holding tanks.
3. Turn water heater by-pass valve to by-pass position. (The by pass valve is located near the water heater incoming lines.)
4. Drain water heater.
5. Open all faucets, including shower head sprayer, toilet flushing device and any other water lines that are closed.
6. Turn on the water pump for 30 seconds to clear out any water in the lines.
7. Connect an air hose with an adapter (blow plug) to the city water fill connection.
8. Set the pressure no greater than 50 pounds and blow out the water lines until no water can be seen coming out of the fixtures and lines.
9. Pour anti-freeze down shower, lavatory sink, and kitchen sink to fill p-traps.
More than 30 seconds might be required, but it seems even that might not be enough...
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This was the same issue I had in my 21' Escape, the supply line was holding water, even after running the pump 30 seconds.
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IMHO a low point drain between the fresh tank in the rear and the pump in the front would solve this issue.
Yes, I agree... and if the pump is at the front (the fresh water tank is always in the back) then this is going to be a problem unless there is a good drain point. If the piping from tank to pump ran uphill only (no up-and-down, no dips) from the tank to the pump, the tank's drain would serve as a low-point drain for the tank-to-pump line. At the very least, a long line may mean more running time is required.

Putting antifreeze in the tank and pumping it through the lines would prevent a problem, but that assumes one is willing to put antifreeze in the freshwater tank.
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:25 PM   #10
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For those with a winterizing kit installed, and use it, this is not an issue. I can see how it would be for those without.
I'm not sure about that. Using a winterizing kit results in antifreeze flushing and filling the lines from the kit's tee connection and downstream. If there is water in the line between the tank and the tee connection, there can still be the problem with Alf described. Where does this tee go in a 5.0TA? Back by the tank or up by the pump... or somewhere in between?
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