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Old 07-09-2016, 01:24 AM   #91
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Did we ever get the weights on the new 17's yet?.
Got it from Escape today for the 17B: Dry 2400, which would make Wet (20+6 gallons) 2660 lbs. This is an increase of 230 lbs. over the classic.

New GVWR is 4,000 lbs though, giving a net of 270 lbs. additional cargo capacity over the classic.

We recently switched our order from a 19' to a 17'B due to concerns with the 19' fitting in our storage location (thanks for the measurements by the way!). I started to get concerned with the weight of the options I chose for the lower GVWR 17B, so I verified that they will add up to about another 375 lbs (per ETI). That includes Dual 6v batteries, A/C, solar, foam, and extra insulation + frameless thermal. I figure these weights for the options, although Escape didn't seem to want to break it out for me so these are an educated guess:

A/C: 100
Solar: 50
Dual 6V: 70
Foam: 40
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frameless thermal: 115

If they hadn't upped the GVWR I would have had only 465 lbs left, but with the increased GVWR I've got 965, so no problem. We typically travel pretty light so I will be rolling with probably right around 3,400 lbs which is less than 1/2 the towing capacity of our Touareg TDI.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:10 AM   #92
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For me, the raised floor is a great idea, as I would have just had to do it myself later, at a cost of time, materials, and weight, in order to get the seats at a proper height. There may be a few who would have preferred the tall seats and level floor, but I too really don't see a need for concern. Maybe someone has some valid reasons why level would outweigh the benefits of raised?
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:04 AM   #93
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Maybe someone has some valid reasons why level would outweigh the benefits of raised?
Something like post #12 in this tread is the only reason I can think of, and I'd say it's pretty uncommon. Update on 2107 production dates?
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:30 AM   #94
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Something like post #12 in this tread is the only reason I can think of, and I'd say it's pretty uncommon. Update on 2107 production dates?
No doubt there will be a few of these uncommon reasons, which do have validity in their own right, but I just see so many better reasons that will help more folks in the end by having it raised.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:01 AM   #95
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Ron, thanks for the updates on weights and capacities. Your info matches what Reace told me he was seeing in increased weight in the 200 - 250# range due to changes in the 2017 models.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:50 AM   #96
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I’m considering either a 19 or a 21, but I too am concerned about weight. Having a clearer picture of the base weight before we bring in our stuff will help.

The numbers below are based off product manufacture specified weights or guesstimates. Each should be accurate within +/- 3lbs with the exception of the insulation and DP windows. I have no idea of the extra weight those bring.

Options Weights (in lbs.)
AC100
Dual 6v Batteries – 70
Solar – 40
Reinforced Wall – 25 (each)
Inverter 150010
Insulation and DP Windows – 200 (guesstimate)
Jack TV Antenna – 8
Surge Protector4
Microwave45
Power Tongue Jack15
Storage Box40
Sand Pads5
Drawer Under Wardrobe Closet3
Propane40 (full)
Misc. other small options50

Total Options Weight (note: reinforced wall X3) – 705

19 Base Weight 2,950 (a 340 gain over 19 gen 1 stated dry weight of 2,610 per forum)
19 with Above Options3,655

21 base weight 3,480 (used the 19 net gain of 340 plus the 21 gen 1 stated dry weight of 3,140, but the gain could be lower as stated here)
21 with above options4,185

4,186 is about 65% of my towing capacity and I would safely be under my GCWR, but this is before I step in the door and we bring our stuff. Does this look accurate to others?
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:16 AM   #97
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If the 5000 lb GVRW is a correct figure then i have a problem. The current model is rated at 4000 lbs and my tow vehicle is rated at 5000. I can tow it. But if it's 5000, that's too heavy ( don't want to tow at the limit of what i can tow).
I agree with Chinaski this increased weight means we will no longer be comfortable towing a 19 ft with our current tow vehicle which has a 5000lb tow rating. We received an estimated weight of 3800 lbs for our 19 after submitting a draft build sheet and, although, there are things we will now remove from our wish list because of the weight, it is unlikely we will be able to or want to remove enough to reduce the weight to a comfortable range. This is disappointing. We were aware there would be some increase but generally based our decision to order upon the information on line, the only official weights being those stated on th ETI web site. So far our interactions with ETI have been extremely positive, so I find this substantial discrepancy in Weight uncharacteristically poor customer relations. We are lucky that we have a place to store the trailer when it arrives next year until we can afford to replace our tow vehicle,but this is not at all what we had planned.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:42 AM   #98
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Barry, I don't see an increase of around 300 lbs as a show stopper. My guess is that the towing experience with your planned tow would be almost indistinguishable between the 2016 model and the 2017. Yes, they raised the GVWR by 1000 lbs, but the actual weight increase is nowhere near that. Loaded, you'll probably come in under 4000 lbs. This is an educated guess based on the typical loads as well as ours.


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Old 07-09-2016, 10:50 AM   #99
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I easily towed my 19 with a 5000# Toyota FJ rating and my 21' with my Ram 1500 which can pull more but has a carrying capacity of only 1300 lbs, so with 500# tongue weight
and passengers it is close to full. As long as you do not exceed your capacity, you will be fine, and my 21' was at
3800# loaded at the axles+500 tw, adding another 250# for the new style will have little impact on your 5000# tow vehicle. Like any travel trailer, judicious loading will keep you safe, but bringing a cast iron set that serves 8 and keeping all your tanks full is not judicious loading, so weigh your trailer after loading and then you will be aware of it's weight.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:56 AM   #100
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If, say, 340 lbs. is added to the dry weight of a 19', I don't see that as a problem for towing with 5000 capacity --- if you actually have 5000 capacity, which you can determine by looking at your GCWR.

The same added weight for a 21' becomes a possible problem with 5000 tow capacity.
The average loaded weight of a 19' has been in the 3700-3800 range for first generation whereas for the 21' it was 4200-4300.

With a new 19', it would not be a problem for us. Many of us tow 21's with the new loaded weight of a 19' with 5000 capacity. The new 21' loaded weight is still likely within the allowed weight but will come closer.

I would say that how you tow, or how you travel, has as much to do with what you see as acceptable. If you go cross-country or expect to spend much of your towing time on Interstates, and if you expect to tow at about the same speed as when you do not tow, you could have a problem. If you prefer little travel in a day on country roads at much lower speeds, that is a different way of travelling. Or if you live near or in mountainous areas, or plan to be coming down lots of them, that is not the same kind of travel as someone else's.

With a 19', you will still have leeway on the weights and with a 21' it will be much closer to the allowed weight.
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