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Old 07-14-2016, 12:41 PM   #191
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A recent discussion with a fellow Escape owner on the road was about poor handling and tow vehicle squat in the rear. I asked how much fresh water was being carried and the response was -0-. I suggested filling up the tank 50% and then try towing. I was told that adding water to 3/4 full in the fresh tank made a world of difference in the rest of the trip.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:49 PM   #192
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Jim- what combination of trailer/tug was it?
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:57 PM   #193
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See post #537 here Escape sighting?
I believe they have a Toyota Sequoia that had some stuff behind the rear seat also.
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:09 PM   #194
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thanks for the weight update, much better.... your build looks similar to what this camper is considering..if you get a chance a picture showing a side view of both your new trailer+tug attached it would be cool as your trailer and tug choices are similar to this camper and would help with the visuals. Happy camping!
Here's a pic of first trip out. I wasn't able to get any scale time so I've no idea what the loaded weight was.
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:42 PM   #195
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That side view reminds me of a sketch on etrailer of the need for a WDH. You can see the tilt from the back of the truck plus that of the trailer both pointing towards the tongue.
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:42 AM   #196
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Is the storage box learning towards the front or is that just the picture making it look like it does ?
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:06 AM   #197
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Wetzk:The storage box is not level, to keep water off and to follow the trailer shape.
Dave, is that a Ram Quad cab? Do you have air bags in the back?
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:10 AM   #198
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Yes, we are back to why Bear101 has a vey high number for a 19', a number that came from Escape.
Hello again, to follow up with information we received from ETI. The 19 ft trailer build sheet includes:
6 cu ft fridge, external fridge fan, exterior shower, dual 6 volt batteries, surge protector, removable power cord, pre wire for solar, air conditioner, Maxx fan upgrade 7500, extra insulation and frameless thermal windows, opening window bathroom (frameless thermal), opening window kitchen (frameless thermal), aluminum rims, power tongue jack, spray foam insulation under trailer, raised dinette and front storage box plus a few electrical additions and now just two walls reinforced.

The weight estimated by ETI is 3715 lbs BUT this is "filled with water" as was recently clarified. So assuming that means the 28 gallon fresh water tank is full as well as the 6 gallon water heater that would mean approximately 284 lbs of water making the dry weight with options 3431lbs.

We would likely travel with the freshwater tank full plus about 600 lbs of clothes, equipment and food so a loaded weight for us would be 4265 to 4315 lbs depending on whether we fill the water heater and based on the numbers we have from ETI. That is technically towable by a highlander with a 5000 lb tow rating
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:22 AM   #199
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I use the fresh water tank fill amount to counter a heavy tongue weight. You should have one of these https://www.amazon.com/Sherline-LM-1...e+tongue+scale
and if the stuff in the front box and other belongings is making your tongue heavy (tow vehicle is squatting) you can increase the amount of water in the rear to lower the weight in the front to an acceptable amount- 10% would be 400# and so on. I always carry a minimum of 10 gallons and sometimes I'm carrying 20 gallons.
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:27 AM   #200
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Good explanation, good description, sound logic. I believe you'll be good to go. We're towing our 2010 with a 2012 Highlander with similar weights and a 425 tongue weight. WDH. 30,000 miles towing, both coasts, over the Rockies. Arizona to Canada, Nothing special, take your time, use you head.
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