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Old 07-02-2016, 11:29 PM   #51
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For all those 2nd Gen: Some respect for the older generation would be appreciated!
And NO under age drinking!!!! :-)
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:24 AM   #52
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Since you are talking heights and hitting things any concerns about the Jack antenna? I see in your measurements it is a couple inches lower than the A/C but was wondering if its location could be a problem. So it's 9" tall? Is there any breakaway feature on it or is it rigid? Can you tell how it's mounted? I would also love to see some more pictures of it and of your fridge closed and open showing the whole thing in the cabinet.

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Old 07-03-2016, 07:00 AM   #53
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You can call your trailer whatever you wish. Ten Forward is a classic and a classic it will stay.
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:10 AM   #54
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You can call your trailer whatever you wish. Ten Forward is a classic and a classic it will stay.
Hi: Donna D... That's a "Class act". We have a 5.0TA Mk.I. It's surprising how many changes the TA's have evolved through since inception. Our preconstruction order questions were left in the capable hands of Reace to figure out but we did have some "Long distance" input into how the TA's interior was configured. Alf
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:46 AM   #55
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As Alf points out, the new molds are the latest in the long string of improvements Reace has implemented over the years.

Donna - Ten Forward is truly a Classic!
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Old 07-03-2016, 03:56 PM   #56
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We have nothing but the highest respect for your generation...and there's no drinking going on around here
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Old 07-03-2016, 04:35 PM   #57
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Next bit of data is the weight. GVWR is shown as 5000 lbs and the Permitted Cargo weight as 1335 lbs. The label indicates that the permitted cargo of 1335 lbs does not include the fresh water tank and hot water tank which when full, weigh in at 339 lbs. That would make the dry weight of the trailer 3326 lbs (5000-1335-339=3326) I don't really care all that much (5.7 Hemi) but it seems all the little extras (dual glazing, double batteries, AC, larger fridge) really add up. I think my 2014 Classic had a GVWR of 4500 lbs, so it seems they have beefed up the frame. That's probably part of the weight.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:26 PM   #58
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Next bit of data is the weight. GVWR is shown as 5000 lbs and the Permitted Cargo weight as 1335 lbs. The label indicates that the permitted cargo of 1335 lbs does not include the fresh water tank and hot water tank which when full, weigh in at 339 lbs. That would make the dry weight of the trailer 3326 lbs (5000-1335-339=3326)
The standard Cargo Carrying Capacity was calculated with an allowance for full fresh water and water heater, but I'm not sure that the current "does not include" wording means the same thing. You could have only 1000 pounds of cargo capacity with full tanks and a 5000 - 1335 = 3665 pound dry weight... although that sounds really heavy. A 3665 pound dry weight would indicate a thousand pounds of options and new-generation weight gain, compared to the first-generation dry and empty weight of about 2610 pounds.

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I think my 2014 Classic had a GVWR of 4500 lbs, so it seems they have beefed up the frame. That's probably part of the weight.
I think the original 19' GVWR was 4000 pounds, and that's what the published spec still says. I don't know if there was any strengthening of the frame (or that it would be needed); the design change to change GVWR may be entirely an adjustment of the axle ratings. They were rated at 2500 pounds each (and because they're Torflex the GVWR must be substantially less than the total of the axle ratings), and could now be higher. They can be ordered in 100 pound increments, up to the 3500 pound limit of the #10 model of Torflex, and should be at least 3000 pounds each for a 5000 pound GVWR.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:38 PM   #59
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The standard Cargo Carrying Capacity was calculated with an allowance for full fresh water and water heater, but I'm not sure that the current "does not include" wording means the same thing. You could have only 1000 pounds of cargo capacity with full tanks and a 5000 - 1335 = 3665 pound dry weight... although that sounds really heavy. A 3665 pound dry weight would indicate a thousand pounds of options and new-generation weight gain, compared to the first-generation dry and empty weight of about 2610 pounds.


I think the original 19' GVWR was 4000 pounds, and that's what the published spec still says. I don't know if there was any strengthening of the frame (or that it would be needed); the design change to change GVWR may be entirely an adjustment of the axle ratings. They were rated at 2500 pounds each (and because they're Torflex the GVWR must be substantially less than the total of the axle ratings), and could now be higher. They can be ordered in 100 pound increments, up to the 3500 pound limit of the #10 model of Torflex, and should be at least 3000 pounds each for a 5000 pound GVWR.
Brian, maybe you can decipher the label. I agree the weight gain seems a little bit much and maybe there was just an axle change.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:46 AM   #60
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Brian, maybe you can decipher the label. I agree the weight gain seems a little bit much and maybe there was just an axle change.
Thanks for the placard image

Good news
Escape is using the older - and better - cargo capacity rating method
GVWR: 2272 kg (5009 lb)
Cargo Carrying Capacity: 607 kg (1338 lb)
... "calculated with the fresh water tanks full", so that cargo capacity is in addition to the water weight of 154 kg (340 lb) Current industry practices allow RV manufacturers to state just a total capacity, and the water (or waste) cut into that, but Escape is following this more realistic and complete calculation.
In this case, I agree with Dave's calculation of dry emtpy weight (as equipped), now that I see what the label says:
2272 kg GVWR - 607 kg CCC - 154 kg water = 1511 kg (or 3331 pounds)

That's 3331 - 2610 = 721 pounds of options and design change weight gain, versus the previous-generation spec.

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GAWR: 1136 kg (2504 lb) each (almost certainly should have read 1134 kg, because that's 2500 pounds)
That's not enough. Torflex axles in tandem use are not to be loaded assuming an equal distribution of load, because they don't load-share; a substantial allowance is supposed to be made for this, and until now Escape has done that:
  • 2x2500 lb (1134 kg) GAWR and 4000 lb (1814 kg) GVWR for the 19'
  • 2x3000 lb (1362 kg) GAWR and 4600 lb (2087) GVWR for the 21'
Either the GVWR was raised to a level not appropriate for the suspension (axles), or the suspension was changed but the placard doesn't show the updated GAWR.
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