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Old 07-04-2016, 03:11 PM   #71
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That was all he said, so I am assuming (dangerous I know ) that the 200-250 is total difference. That seems to me like a reasonable total, as the 250# would seem like a lot just for extra fiberglass and heavier awning.
Makes sense to me.

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Once the new specs make it to the website we should know for sure.
Sadly, that could be a long time.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:40 PM   #72
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That information is in the Trailer Design Considerations. It warns about unequal load distribution; it explains how the resulting overloading over bumps is the reason to not use triple axles (in the capacity range of interest here), and that for tandems it is both a continuous concern due to non-level trailer attitude and a momentary concern over bumps. Reading the current version again, it does not recommend a capacity margin, but that margin is a rational response to the loading concerns.


As others have mentioned, the 19' axles have been 2500 pounds, for as long as I can recall. In discussion with Reace during the original design process (in 2008!), he had proposed two 2200 pound #9 Torflex. At this capacity, 13" tires would have had enough capacity, and he was planning 13" or perhaps 14". I didn't think any went into production with this spec, but perhaps...

The Torflex #10 is only available in the range of 2500 to 3500 pounds, and has 10" brakes; #9 comes in up to 2200 pound capacity, and comes with 7" brakes - they don't use the same hub and brake components.


I have just reviewed references and correspondence from several years ago, and I don't see a specific margin. It seems that the margin between the original 19' total axle capacity and the GVWR was Reace's reasonable response to the issue; it may simply be that Reace has decided with several years of experience with tandem Torflex that the margin is not needed.
perhaps the manufacturer of the axle has some conservative safety margin in his weight rating spec also...
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:21 PM   #73
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perhaps the manufacturer of the axle has some conservative safety margin in his weight rating spec also...
Yes, the axle rating always allows for bump loads. Dexter says specifically that even extra-high bump loads due to lack of equalization can be handled (for a tandem, but not a triple)... but that continuing unequal distribution (due to out-of-level attitude) must be avoided.
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Old 07-06-2016, 08:00 AM   #74
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As others have mentioned, the 19' axles have been 2500 pounds, for as long as I can recall. In discussion with Reace during the original design process (in 2008!), he had proposed two 2200 pound #9 Torflex. At this capacity, 13" tires would have had enough capacity, and he was planning 13" or perhaps 14". I didn't think any went into production with this spec, but perhaps...

The Torflex #10 is only available in the range of 2500 to 3500 pounds, and has 10" brakes; #9 comes in up to 2200 pound capacity, and comes with 7" brakes - they don't use the same hub and brake components.
Just for information our trailer is a 2010 (ordered Oct '09/delivered May '10) and has dual 2300 lb rated axles (per sales sheet; not confirmed on axle) with 14" tires (ST205-75-R14) and a GVWR on the placard of 1818kg (~4000lbs). Approx total dry weight 2510lbs. I see some literature from Dexter that #10 axles are available from 2300 to 3500 lbs so I assume that this is what we have.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:57 PM   #75
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Just for information our trailer is a 2010 (ordered Oct '09/delivered May '10) and has dual 2300 lb rated axles (per sales sheet; not confirmed on axle) with 14" tires (ST205-75-R14) and a GVWR on the placard of 1818kg (~4000lbs). Approx total dry weight 2510lbs. I see some literature from Dexter that #10 axles are available from 2300 to 3500 lbs so I assume that this is what we have.
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The #10 range appears to be inconsistently stated by Dexter Axle - 2300 pounds in some literature, 2500 in others, but obviously 2300 is the correct value. That 14" tire size is what the 17 Foot used to have, and is more than enough tire for a 2300 (or 2500) pound axle (although the current larger tire would be fine, too, as long as it fits the wheel wells).
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..although the current larger tire would be fine, too, as long as it fits the wheel wells.
I did confirm with Reace that the 15" will fit without modification just in case we want to upgrade in the future.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:38 PM   #77
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We will be installing a new (taller) garage door to accommodate our upcoming 19', so I called yesterday to verify the hight of the new design. I spoke to Tammy and she told me that the 2nd gen 19' without airconditioning is 8'6", with air is 9'. I also asked about weights and she said the new Dry weight is 2950lbs. (Old 2610 lbs.) and the new GVWR is 5000lbs.
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:57 PM   #78
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We will be installing a new (taller) garage door to accommodate our upcoming 19', so I called yesterday to verify the hight of the new design. I spoke to Tammy and she told me that the 2nd gen 19' without airconditioning is 8'6", with air is 9'. I also asked about weights and she said the new Dry weight is 2950lbs. (Old 2610 lbs.) and the new GVWR is 5000lbs.
If the 5000 lb GVRW is a correct figure then i have a problem. The current model is rated at 4000 lbs and my tow vehicle is rated at 5000. I can tow it. But if it's 5000, that's too heavy ( don't want to tow at the limit of what i can tow).
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If the 5000 lb GVRW is a correct figure then i have a problem. The current model is rated at 4000 lbs and my tow vehicle is rated at 5000. I can tow it. But if it's 5000, that's too heavy ( don't want to tow at the limit of what i can tow).
GVWR is the trailer plus all your stuff, not the weight of the trailer itself.
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Old 07-07-2016, 11:56 PM   #80
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If the 5000 lb GVRW is a correct figure then i have a problem. The current model is rated at 4000 lbs and my tow vehicle is rated at 5000. I can tow it. But if it's 5000, that's too heavy ( don't want to tow at the limit of what i can tow).
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GVWR is the trailer plus all your stuff, not the weight of the trailer itself.
True: you don't need to load the trailer up to the maximum allowed (the trailer's GVWR), and most people don't. The new generation apparently weighs 340 pounds more than a similarly equipped trailer of the same model in the first generation, so if nobody's earlier 19' weighed more than 4000 pounds with all their stuff, then a new one with all the same stuff won't weigh more than 4340 pounds.

The GVWR was increased by much more than the weight increase of the trailer itself, so apparently Escape adjusted GVWR to allow owners to carry more weight of stuff than before, if they want.
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