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[float5]

Yes, we are back to why Bear101 has a vey high number for a 19', a number that came from Escape.

[freespirit]

Originally Posted by davescape

EDIT EDIT EDIT. Seems I threw a bad number out there. I don't know where that came from. Sorry. My dry weight is 3326 lbs as I wrote in an earlier post. Don't know where that other number came from. I doubt any 19 could get significantly higher than that. My axles are rated @ 2500 lbs (I confirmed the decal is correct by looking for a label on the axle itself). Here's a comparison between my previous 2014 (RIP) and the 2016:
GVWR: 4000 / 5000
Dry: 3021 / 3326
Cargo Cap: 979 / 1674

More than likely the previous frame/axle assembly was under-rated and the new model GVWR simply reflects the real capacity. The 300 lb weight increase is modest. Roughly half of that increase was probably the addition of the extra glass, the front box and the insulation. I doubt that i'll be much over 4000 lbs loaded with the water and propane tanks filled. I'm on a road trip shortly and if the scales are available I'll post the results.

thanks for the weight update, much better.... your build looks similar to what this camper is considering..if you get a chance a picture showing a side view of both your new trailer+tug attached it would be cool as your trailer and tug choices are similar to this camper and would help with the visuals. Happy camping!

[rbryan4]

Cathy's right, we're back to the original question. I'll stick with my original comment that the new 19 will most likely come in under 4000 lbs with options - and loaded. Which means, a tow vehicle with a 5000 lb towing capacity should have no issues with it, provided the cargo capacity and GCWR are not exceeded.


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[SFDavis50]

What is the reinforced wall option? I don't see it in the options list. I have a 2010 F 150 with 103K miles already but I am planning to use it. Right now trying to decide between a 21 or a 5.0 TA. I will use it a lot in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah etc. with a lot of mountain driving so I am really inclined toward the 5.0 T A.

[Fox hunt]

Wow so we are back to a highlander with 5000 tow capacity should be able to tow a 2017 19 ? This thread has been a wild ride!

[cpaharley2008]

The reinforced walls option is adding extra paneling (and weight) to specific walls in order to mount a television or other heavy item. I did one in BlackJack (wall between bed and bath) in order to attach towel racks in bath and magazine shelf next to bed. Some members seem to want all their walls reinforced as a "just in case future use scenario", however the non reinforced stock wall is certainly adequate to mount items using the command strips and similarly in homes, there are studs in the walls to attach a tv stand, particularly at the corners.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by Fox hunt

Wow so we are back to a highlander with 5000 tow capacity should be able to tow a 2017 19 ? This thread has been a wild ride!

According to the latest real world measured weights spreadsheet Trailer Weights the average weight of current model 19 fully loaded is 3686#. (Thanks to Jon Vermilye for maintaining the spreadsheet.)

Reace told me he is seeing a 200-250# weight increase in the 2017 models. So at the 250# increase the real world weight average would be 3936#.


The current posted (website) Approx. Total dry weight of a base 19 (no options) is 2610#. Adding 250# to that would bring it to 2860# before options.

[cpaharley2008]

I feel great today, maybe because I lost some weight

[thoer]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I feel great today, maybe because I lost some weight

Now you can carry more stuff along in the new 19 then!

[Jimrules]

Originally Posted by thoer

Reace told me he is seeing a 200-250# weight increase in the 2017 models. So at the 250# increase the real world weight average would be 3936#.

The current posted (website) Approx. Total dry weight of a base 19 (no options) is 2610#. Adding 250# to that would bring it to 2860# before options.

Eric, I spoke to Tammy last week and when I asked about weights and she said the new Dry weight for the 19' is 2950lbs.

[skyfree]

Originally Posted by Jimrules

Eric, I spoke to Tammy last week and when I asked about weights and she said the new Dry weight for the 19' is 2950lbs.

So that makes it a 340 lb increase vs. 230 for the 17B at 2400 dry.

Originally Posted by thoer

According to the latest real world measured weights spreadsheet Trailer Weights the average weight of current model 19 fully loaded is 3686#. (Thanks to Jon Vermilye for maintaining the spreadsheet.)

Reace told me he is seeing a 200-250# weight increase in the 2017 models. So at the 250# increase the real world weight average would be 3936#.

The current posted (website) Approx. Total dry weight of a base 19 (no options) is 2610#. Adding 250# to that would bring it to 2860# before options.

I used the real world trailer weights for the 17B and found that the previous average real-world weight of 2974 will go to 3204 which sounds reasonable given the numbers ETI gave me. Of course that number could include any varying amount of water and cargo.

The rule of thumb works well here with all these numbers. For the 19 it looks like a dry weight of 2950 + 1000 lbs puts you at 3950. For the 17B 2400 + 1000 is 3400, which is exactly what I calculated independently, loaded up with heavy options.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by Jimrules

Eric, I spoke to Tammy last week and when I asked about weights and she said the new Dry weight for the 19' is 2950lbs.

Thanks Jim. Looks like the 19 came in heavier than what Reace anticipated.

[Steve Clark]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

Cathy's right, we're back to the original question. I'll stick with my original comment that the new 19 will most likely come in under 4000 lbs with options - and loaded. Which means, a tow vehicle with a 5000 lb towing capacity should have no issues with it, provided the cargo capacity and GCWR are not exceeded.


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My money's on Robert!

[Steve Clark]

Originally Posted by Fox hunt

Wow so we are back to a highlander with 5000 tow capacity should be able to tow a 2017 19 ? This thread has been a wild ride!

It's like our Avitar, 'Mr. Toad's Wild Ride'.

[Iowa Dave]

Our Highlander will tow 4,000 pounds and a full vehicle cargo without a problem. 30.000 towing miles on our 19 and 125,000 on the Highlander, no special concerns.
I watch the downhills. I don't tow on cruise so the transmission does not hunt. If it starts to hunt in overdrive, I self shift it down into 5,4, or 3. Use your best judgement and plan ahead for uphill and down hill. Good advice no matter what you tow with. Easy does it.
Dave

[thoer]

Unless the weight goes up much more than I am expecting, I'm still planning on towing a 2017 21 with our Highlander - using just those methods, Dave. (As long as I can keep under my GCWR of 9828#)

[float5]

The average loaded weight of a 19' has been 3700-3800 lbs. according to reports used on Fiberglassrv and what people have said here. Add the 340 and you get what you get. We were lower than the average but there were people higher, at 4000. So they would be at 4340.

Depends upon how much you order and how much you load and everyone is different. So I would consider the new average weight for 19's to be just about what the first generation 21' has been, somewhat over 4000.

[freespirit]

like the new raised dinette floor in the new 2017 Escape 21 as shown in the recent Its Friday! 2017 and Beyond thread pics..
also noticed in the thread pics there seems to be a difference in the way the awning mounts to the new Escape 19 versus the new Escape 21
the Escape 19 as pictured in post #1 has a continuous aluminum channel mount and the Escape 21 as pictured in post # 82 does not..no big deal but wondering if they have the same awning manufacturer or if they are different ... one may be the new Carefree mfg and the other the new Dometic awning?

hope one of these new 2017 Escape 21 owners posts the actual dry weight for comparison purposes to a 2017 Escape 19.

[Rossue]

Even with a Yukon we try to travel with little water in the tank as 30 gallons is 250 lbs. and is very noticeable. A 2017 21 will be most likely 350 lbs heavier. I have noticed that ETI has deleted the statement on their website that all their trailers can be towed with a V-6 and minimum 5000 tow rating.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Rossue

I have noticed that ETI has deleted the statement on their website that all their trailers can be towed with a V-6 and minimum 5000 tow rating.

The Overview for the 21 Foot (but only that page) still includes this:

With a dry weight of only 3050lbs, the Escape 21’ has been designed specifically for mid-sized vehicles such as SUVs and mid-sized trucks with a V6 engine or a minimum towing capacity of 5000lbs.

The Home Page has a relatively vague statement:

Escape Trailer Industries now offers a full line of RV travel trailers – 17’, 19’, 21’ and a 21’ tandem axle fifth wheel (Escape 5.0TA), all designed for smaller and mid-sized tow vehicles.

The FAQ has an item titled "Do I need a truck to pull an Escape?", and it still has old values - indeed, even older than the 2016 specs, and the 5.0TA is listed with a weight that probably corresponds to the original 5.0. It includes this:

Depending on the Escape Travel Trailer you are interested in towing your tow vehicle should have a towing capacity between 3,000lbs for the 15′ and up to 5,000lbs for the Escape 5.0TA Fifth Wheel.

The FAQ entry for "Does Escape Trailer Industries lists real ‘Dry Weights’ for their travel Trailers?" lists more current dry weights - but still first-generation rather than for the new design.