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Old 03-16-2014, 06:59 PM   #1
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After Many Cancelations...

... our first trip in the Escape!
Two weeks later, we took a 5 day trip at Meridian State Park.

The 19 tows exceptionally well behind the F-150. Both trips had high cross and head winds and the rig was never unstable.

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Old 03-16-2014, 08:03 PM   #2
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Congratulations!
I think I might have seen your rig on I20 heading west a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:48 PM   #3
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... our first trip in the Escape!
Two weeks later, we took a 5 day trip at Meridian State Park.

The 19 tows exceptionally well behind the F-150. Both trips had high cross and head winds and the rig was never unstable.

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I like the pictures of your rig. What size engine do you have in your F150. I am pretty sure i"m going to get an F150 to pull my 21.

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Old 03-16-2014, 11:23 PM   #4
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I think I might have seen your rig on I20 heading west a couple of weeks ago.
Yep, heading to Aledo...

I have the 5L engine. I thought about the EcoBoost, but decided to go with the proven V8, for no real reason... I hear good things about the EcoBoost.

The FX2 came with a tow package and a factory trailer brake, which works well and easy to set the gain. The “tow/haul” transmission selection does a fantastic job of staying in gears longer and downshifting.

Hard to give RPM feedback because there was wind on both trips, but I think it sits below 2K revs at 65mph.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:50 AM   #5
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Yep, heading to Aledo...

I have the 5L engine. I thought about the EcoBoost, but decided to go with the proven V8, for no real reason... I hear good things about the EcoBoost.

The FX2 came with a tow package and a factory trailer brake, which works well and easy to set the gain. The “tow/haul” transmission selection does a fantastic job of staying in gears longer and downshifting.

Hard to give RPM feedback because there was wind on both trips, but I think it sits below 2K revs at 65mph.
Thanks, That sounds perfect to me. I'm looking at the V8 for the same reason as you did. Just feels right.

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Old 03-17-2014, 01:48 PM   #6
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Consumer Reports said that owners reported a higher than average need to repair the F-150 with the EcoBoost engine - but not because of the engine itself, but because of the auxiliary systems (or words similar to that). Owners of the 5L engine didn't have the repair problems however. Hopefully, Ford will take care of the problems and the EgoBoost will live up to it's potential. Also, the new aluminum body for the 2015 F-150 sounds very interesting.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:33 PM   #7
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It always amazes me when manufacturers will take something small and economical and bolt on a turbocharger which them makes it a race car or a towing machine. That little v-6 motor can not stand up to the stress and strain imposed upon it by towing, as evidenced by it's repair record. Just because it can does not mean it will always do. I'd stick with the bigger motors that will stand the strain over time.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:34 PM   #8
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My thoughts on the 5.0L vs the Eco-Boost.

I've heard that, economy wise, they're pretty much the same (Consumer Reports). But if you want to be the first to the top of the hill, get the Eco-Boost. The torque on the Eco-Boost comes on like gang busters at a lower rpm, rises very fast, and is basically flat throughout it's rpm range. The 5.0L acts like a standard V8, higher torque at higher rpm. I've got to believe that the power of the 5.0L, matched with the proper gear ratio, is more than sufficient to pull anything Escape produces.

I think Ford is only considering half of the story when they advertise the Eco-Boost as a towing wonder. Down hill control is just as, and maybe more important, as getting up there in the first place.

The thing that sways me to the 5.0L is coming down hill (what goes up must come down). The compression ration of the 5.0L can help with speed control on the down hill slope, saving those precious breaks. The compression ratio of the Eco-Boost is low (turbos work better with low compression engines) so it doesn't help with downhill speed control. Your have to rely totally on your breaks. That, to me, is a deal breaker. As tempting as it is to have that extra power, or low end torque, I consider the breaks, and safety, more important.

If I'm wrong in my thinking here, please let me know.

On another note, what about the new Dodge with the French Diesel? It's reported to have great torque at a low rpm, and it can be used for speed control, because it's a diesel, on down hill slopes.
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:15 PM   #9
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The thing that sways me to the 5.0L is coming down hill (what goes up must come down). The compression ration of the 5.0L can help with speed control on the down hill slope, saving those precious breaks. The compression ratio of the Eco-Boost is low (turbos work better with low compression engines) so it doesn't help with downhill speed control. Your have to rely totally on your breaks.
Gas engine braking has nothing to do with compression ratio - it's just displacement, as the engine is acting as a big air pump. The pressure at the end of the compression stroke doesn't matter, because the push to create it is just returned on the power stroke - for those two stokes, the air is just a spring. All of the braking action comes from the intake stroke sucking air past the closed throttle plate (and the exhaust stroke just empties it out the other end). This is very different from the compression-release braking system (a.k.a. "Jake Brake") of a big rig.

The point of the EcoBoost (and similar engines from other manufacturers) is that they use direct fuel injection to allow the application of turbocharging to engines of normal modern compression ratio. The compression ratio of an EcoBoost is not low; it is 10.0:1, which would have been racecar-high not so many years ago. The 5.0L V8 is not much different at 10.5:1.

The only problem I see with the 3.5L EcoBoost for engine braking is that 3.5 is less than 5.0. My 3.3L gas engine provides all the engine braking I need for two tons of van plus 1.5 tons of trailer, so I would not be so concerned about an EcoBoost F-150.

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On another note, what about the new Dodge with the French Diesel? It's reported to have great torque at a low rpm, and it can be used for speed control, because it's a diesel, on down hill slopes.
French? VM Motori - the engine supplier to Fiat and now Fiat's Ram division is Italian. The previous diesel-from-the-European-owners at Chysler (used in the Sprinter and Grand Cherokee) was German (Mercedes).

Yes, like all turbo engines in working vehicles, the torque is high for the displacement, and available at low speeds.

The fact that it's a diesel does nothing at all for engine braking, since (like every other small diesel), it does not have a compression-release braking system. (Correct me if I have this wrong - it would be a major feature for Ram). I don't know if it even has an exhaust brake in the Ram 1500; they're not universally supplied with light truck diesels.
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That little v-6 motor can not stand up to the stress and strain imposed upon it by towing, as evidenced by it's repair record.
That one might not, but then if the required repairs are not to the engine itself, then maybe it has proven to be capable. There's no reason to believe that any particular displacement is required for any level of work, since there are many factors in engine design beyond displacement. I wouldn't declare 3.5L turbo engines as incapable due to issues with this Ford any more than I would declare 3.8L straight sixes to be gutless hunks of junk based on our family's old Gremlin engine.

Also, the rest of the planet uses smaller engines to do most of the work in anything other than big rigs. Every Sprinter, Crafter, Transit, Ducato and similar commercial van in Europe - carrying tons of payload and towing multi-ton trailers all day long - has a smaller engine than 3.5L... usually four cylinders.

The much-anticipated turbodiesel in the Ram 1500 is smaller than the EcoBoost 3.5L - and coincidentally very similar in design (V6, direct injection, turbocharged) - and I suspect many of the enthusiastic buyers are planning to tow.
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