First pictures of E21 LE

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

If they put the bed up front they would not need the front window or the front window guard .Who wants to look at your tow vehicle when camping .We have the e21 and i would like to have a bigger dinette maybe another foot or so . Still looking forward for the new 23 -25 from Escape

We loved the front window in our 19. Very seldom did we have our tow vehicle in front, as I always like to park it right out of the way. Even the rear window where the bed was, was a nice thing, as it allowed viewing out that way if wanted and let in a lot of nice light.

While I love the layout of our 5.0TA, one thing I miss is the nice viewing windows in the bed area, and the light they bring in. Not too bad, but better is always..... better!

[Karl@Escape]

Yep it has a new mattress designed to fit
Also will come with the cot option
Has more window area than 21 classic
Can be ordered with bench seats and side cabinets to reduce the dinette size and create more storage.

[tukwilma]

Originally Posted by Karl@Escape

Yep it has a new mattress designed to fit
Also will come with the cot option
Has more window area than 21 classic
Can be ordered with bench seats and side cabinets to reduce the dinette size and create more storage.

Can be ordered with...side cabinets Now I need to call Joldie and get more details. We actually like the big dinette, and plan on using it as a longing area, but we'd be willing to give up a little length in the dinette for a bit more storage.

And then the other voice in her head says "More storage available means extra stuff you'll carry, means extra weight. Be careful what you wish for!"

[tukwilma]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

Yes, I have always requested that the mattress be made smaller to allow air around the sides of the bed, really keeps condensation down.

How much smaller? An inch all around? I like the idea, both for airflow and ease of making the bed.

[Karl@Escape]

Side cabinets would be fairly slim on the bathroom side because of the available space between bathroom and the window. Might have more room on the passenger side. We will have exact dims when we get the first production inventory unit built later this year.

Agreed it's always a battle between storage and weight.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

If they put the bed up front they would not need the front window or the front window guard .Who wants to look at your tow vehicle when camping .

I'd never have an RV that didn't have a window to look out of on all sides. Quite aside from the security issue at night it's nice to see what's happening around you. There's more view than just your tug.

Ron

[Eggscape]

Originally Posted by Karl@Escape

Yep it has a new mattress designed to fit
Also will come with the cot option
Has more window area than 21 classic
Can be ordered with bench seats and side cabinets to reduce the dinette size and create more storage.

I was just thinking about the mattress size last night. A few more inches longer could make all the difference for some that are over 6 feet tall and want to stretch out.

[tukwilma]

Originally Posted by Karl@Escape

Side cabinets would be fairly slim on the bathroom side because of the available space between bathroom and the window. Might have more room on the passenger side. We will have exact dims when we get the first production inventory unit built later this year.

Agreed it's always a battle between storage and weight.

Since the design isn't set yet...

I started to respond that a counter-top height cabinet on the passenger side would be nice, but then realized that un-does the ability to have a door there to get to the under-bench storage there. That's an interesting trade-off for me. With the exterior hatch on the front passenger side, maybe it works out.

sheesh, rambling thoughts.

What about slim, counter-top height cabinet on each side? Reduces the dinette overall by some inches on both sides, adds a little counter top area, and a little storage. Yes, that's what you should do. I have declared it so!

BTW - "we will have exact dimensions...later this year" is getting close to our Build Sheet due date of 1/6.

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Ronae (of the Jeff and Ronae who ordered the first 21'NE)
I need a slicker signature block!

[cpaharley2008]

You can still have a lower cabinet door for easy access from outside on either side of the doorway, just relocate the stove closer to the door and put the sink towards the bed side.

[Bear101]

Originally Posted by Karl@Escape

Side cabinets would be fairly slim on the bathroom side because of the available space between bathroom and the window. Might have more room on the passenger side. We will have exact dims when we get the first production inventory unit built later this year.

Agreed it's always a battle between storage and weight.

Well this is interesting Karl, The extra space in the bed will help accommodate the dogs and efficiently set up extra storage would be very interesting. I can envision a passenger side unit with a pass through door on the bottom to still accommodate under seat storage.

[Karl@Escape]

I'll get some dimensions this coming week from our concept and we can all start developing ideas.

[Karl@Escape]

Sounds like we are on the same page

[Vermilye]

I realize that one of the more often made requests is for a queen sized bed in a 21 (although my wife & I were perfectly happy in a full sized bed at home for 42 years). I have to agree with those that feel the loss of counter space is a serious consideration. It doesn't look like you can have the queen without the loss of the counter space, so it is going to end up being a choice one must make.

As to the standard 21, I love the large bathroom, large amount of counter, and am quite comfortable with a full sized mattress, particularly now that I travel solo, although again, if my wife was still alive, we would still be comfortable on a full size mattress, and enjoy the ability to slide out rather than climb over. I enjoy sitting at the dinette in the rear with what is usually a better view, but do miss the ability to peek out the front when something goes thump in the night.

All in all, it will be good to have a choice.

[cpaharley2008]

Twin and double beds were the norm when "Norm" was growing up....I do not remember acquiring a queen until 20 years ago. Then there is the California King....that normally stays when you sell the house!

[steve dunham]

Growing up and in almost 50 years of marriage I have never had a bed larger than a full
The ability to have a walk around bed has more appeal for us than having a queen size bed

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

Twin and double beds were the norm when "Norm" was growing up....

What's changed is the average size of folks. And they haven't shrunk.

Personally, I was a little surprised that I couldn't tell any difference between the bed size in the 19 and 21, even when little Gertie is included.

Ron

[MyronL]

Karl should hire some teenager who knows a little photography and give him a camera with a 28mm lens and a bounce flash.

[Karl@Escape]

Originally Posted by MyronL

Karl should hire some teenager who knows a little photography and give him a camera with a 28mm lens and a bounce flash.

Yeh the iPhone pics are quite poor. We will have professional shots of the first production build in December ready for January.

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by MyronL

Karl should hire some teenager who knows a little photography and give him a camera with a 28mm lens and a bounce flash.

I’ve wondered why Escape has not approached Glenn Baglo , a proud Escape owner and world renowned photographer about taking the photos for their sales brochure and website .

[gbaglo]

How do you spell hyperbole?