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Old 03-13-2015, 02:22 AM   #121
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So is it fair to say not only do we have a unique, superior quality trailer but now it's limited edition too? We purchased our 15B trailer in November 2014 and although I absolutely LOVE it there are times I wish we would have looked closer at 17' trailer, just to have that much more room when both of us are in the trailer, more closet space and the option to have both bed and dinette up at the same time. Ultimately, the 15' was the better fit for us. Despite both trailers posting the same GVWR, after taken a few trips (including trip from Chilliwack to CALIF), I know the additional weight of the 17' would require upgrading our tow vehicle which is only a SUV with a V6 engine and I really don't want to drive a gas guzzling truck around town. We also considered not getting the b/r (again more space, less weight) but ultimately I'm glad we did. On cold, rainy nights it's been nice not having to get dressed or worse hold it all night (lol). Cleaning the black tank has become less and less stressful and I'm sure soon it will be second nature to us. And while I can understand the mentality of using campsite facilities (we often do), I can't say the same about portable port-a-potty. Where do people use it? Some things should be done behind close doors, no matter how close a couple you are.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:07 AM   #122
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Jen and Angie, not sure what you are doing to clean your black tank but I am guessing it is way too much! We also do not want a pick-up and would rather not have a V-8 either.
A V-6, non-pick-up, can tow a 17', 19', or 21' and meet the weight requirements, depending on which V-6. You sound as though you are still very content with your 15' though. Your wonderful photos of places visited are proof that you get around with it plenty.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:55 AM   #123
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...Ultimately, the 15' was the better fit for us. Despite both trailers posting the same GVWR, after taken a few trips (including trip from Chilliwack to CALIF), I know the additional weight of the 17' would require upgrading our tow vehicle which is only a SUV with a V6 engine and I really don't want to drive a gas guzzling truck around town...
You seem to be under the mistaken impression regarding size of tow vehicle required for an Escape trailer. Many on this forum are towing a 17' or even a 19' (within manufacturers recommended tow limits) using an SUV with a V6 engine (some good Toyota examples are the Rav4, Highlander, FJ Cruiser, and 4Runner). It is quite untrue that you NEED to have an 8-cyl full-size truck to tow these small fiberglass trailers.

Edit: I guess Floating Cloud and I wanted to make the same point.
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:09 AM   #124
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:47 AM   #125
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I love the 15 and think you should be very happy with your trailer. I'd treat it like an investment. It will be highly sought after on the used market if you ever sell. I agree with you on not wanting to own an oversized truck as a grocery getter. I have a very soft place in my heart for Airstreams, especially the layout of the 20 and it's galley. I can really see myself cooking in it. The storage, sink, and counter space would work very well for this chef. The only problem is that it will required a full size truck. I own a 2006 Tundra V8, which is smaller then the current generation Tundra, I like that I can parallel park it in places like NYC proper, but it's got some miles on it. I recently tested out the new Tundra and was not impressed with it's size. This August we hopefully pickup our Escape 19, and plan to tow it back East with a V6 4runner. Might not be the premier TV, but will get the job done. I don't expect any land speed records crossing any mountain passes. In a few years when it's time to retire my Tundra, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a V6 Tacoma with a cap on the back. Enjoy your 15 and if you ever plan to upgrade, I'm sure it will sell like a hot cake.
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Old 03-13-2015, 12:43 PM   #126
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Despite both trailers posting the same GVWR, after taken a few trips (including trip from Chilliwack to CALIF), I know the additional weight of the 17' would require upgrading our tow vehicle ...
The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is just how much the trailer is allowed to weigh, which has more to do with the axle capacity than anything else; the 15' and 17' use the same axle. For most people, this limit is irrelevant to how they use the trailer. I agree that a 17' would have been heavier, for the same level of equipment and the same amount of your stuff.

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... I know the additional weight of the 17' would require upgrading our tow vehicle which is only a SUV with a V6 engine and I really don't want to drive a gas guzzling truck around town.
As already mentioned there are lots of SUVs with V6 engines which would handle a 17-foot just fine, but what matters is your tug, and if that specific vehicle is not suited for a 17-foot then an upsize would have been needed.

Also, as again already mentioned, the count of cylinders is only very roughly related to engine capability. I'm wondering if anyone's head will explode as they try to absorb the idea of towing a small trailer with one of the latest wave of three-cylinder engines...
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Old 03-13-2015, 01:00 PM   #127
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Old 03-13-2015, 04:19 PM   #128
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I think Jen and Angie's point isn't so much about the number of cylinders their Lexus 350 has, but instead that they feel they are just about at their particular tug's limit, based on their own experiences so far. If they've pulled the 15 around, up and down hills/mountains, and are thinking that their Lexus might not pull a 17 so well, being heavier for sure, I'd have to say for them they are right. Not everyone wants to pull at the very limit of their tug! (this isn't FGRV...)

I looked at their album. Nice photos! Makes me want to go up to the Oregon coast. And that 15 looks just right with the Lexus.
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Old 03-13-2015, 05:17 PM   #129
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Yeah, good point, Leonard.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:36 PM   #130
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I think Jen and Angie's point isn't so much about the number of cylinders their Lexus 350 has, but instead that they feel they are just about at their particular tug's limit, based on their own experiences so far. If they've pulled the 15 around, up and down hills/mountains, and are thinking that their Lexus might not pull a 17 so well, being heavier for sure, I'd have to say for them they are right.
A Lexus RX350 has something like 270 horsepower. If the issue is going up mountains, suggesting a lack of sufficient power to handle a heavier trailer (rather than stability or control), then a faster pickup would need a lot of engine to handle the greater weight of the truck and still have more leftover to pull the trailer - certainly over 300 horsepower. That's V8 or turbo gas V6 territory, among engines available in pickup trucks. Presumably climbing performance is not the only concern, as there are SUVs (and even cars) with more power.
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