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Old 03-04-2016, 11:57 AM   #91
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so is this correct that the new 2017 models now feature single handle faucets as standard, and frame less windows.......
It is my solid understanding that frameless (insulated) windows will be an extra price OPTION on 2017 Escapes.

Plus Escape is so unbelievably helpful for many many different options... i'm confident that you could easily arrange for a double handle faucet.

just my 2c.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:11 PM   #92
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Jim, I know you are near retirement. any chance you might want to do a small side business customizing Escape trailers?
I only plan to semi-retire in the near future. Folks do have to realize that custom work is more costly than assembly line type work where everything is standard. I know this will, as custom work on people's homes is what I do. That said, all depending on how factors for doing work line up, I would definitely be interested.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:30 PM   #93
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I only plan to semi-retire in the near future. Folks do have to realize that custom work is more costly than assembly line type work where everything is standard. I know this will, as custom work on people's homes is what I do. That said, all depending on how factors for doing work line up, I would definitely be interested.
I vote for Jim building a mobile shop so he can travel to all the customers he'll line up....
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:35 PM   #94
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... being a newbie to Escape trailers, was there some kind of owner or potential buyer feedback to Escape some time ago that drives these "improvement" decisions?
Improvements and changes are driven by many factors.
- poor performance of existing
- changing trends
- better function of new
- customer desires
- availability of product
- more cost effective for manufacturing
- and many more

Escape does a good job of making these improvements, and does so more often than most manufacturers.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:41 PM   #95
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It is my solid understanding that frameless (insulated) windows will be an extra price OPTION on 2017 Escapes.

Plus Escape is so unbelievably helpful for many many different options... i'm confident that you could easily arrange for a double handle faucet.

just my 2c.
Only insulated is an option.

I really don't understand the desire to move backwards and go to dual lever taps. Yes, they do work, but other than classic designs, the vast majority of taps installed are single lever. For what we install for folks in their homes, at least 95‰ are single lever. Improving products for better function is a good thing, in my books.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:45 PM   #96
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I vote for Jim building a mobile shop so he can travel to all the customers he'll line up....
Sounds like a good plan. Travel and work combined.

However, I would need to pull a cargo trailer with tools and supplies behind my trailer. That is legal in Alberta, but not everywhere.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:58 PM   #97
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Only insulated is an option.

I really don't understand the desire to move backwards and go to dual lever taps. Yes, they do work, but other than classic designs, the vast majority of taps installed are single lever. For what we install for folks in their homes, at least 95‰ are single lever. Improving products for better function is a good thing, in my books.
so frameless windows is a done deal for a standard in 2017 and insulated windows only is still an option..any definite info on the manufacturer of the windows so one could research this "improvement" before making a 2017 purchase decision on possibly the 2017 April "fools" day?..guessing Escape had to make a mold change for these type windows if it has a similar mounting design requirement like many fiberglass truck caps had to deal with.
agree with your "improving products for better function is a good thing" BUT not if it involves reduced quality,reliability and more costly maintenance. So many things are designed for a consumer mentality of "throw it away and get a new one"...spending 30K+ on a trailer does not meet that design criteria IMHO.
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Old 03-04-2016, 01:10 PM   #98
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not a fan of those all in one handle faucets versus the older two water knob style . (snip)
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I second this one. First thought I had when I saw the pic of that faucet, was that looks just like our kitchen one that has been a leaky mess. 2nd one now in kitchen, first was very expensive Moen, current one is mid-dollar and needs replacement after a year.(snip)
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(snip) I really don't understand the desire to move backwards and go to dual lever taps.(snip)
Well, I LOVE single lever faucets! I have tendonitis and it can really hurt some days to twist a knob - whether it's on a faucet or a door (we have single lever door handles as well). Our kitchen, shower and bathroom faucets have been working just fine for over 10 years.

With a single lever I know exactly where I need to set it to get the hot temperature that I want. I don't have to fiddle around turning the knobs multiple times. I save water that way! Win, win! I can also use my wrist to turn the water on and off, so I can flip it off when I'm soaping my hands or brushing my teeth - another win for the environment. (and our water bill)

ETI is going to install a single lever faucet for the bathroom as well. I'm thrilled that they're going to do that as I did not want to twist those knobs.

This is what we're getting, in case anyone is wondering:

Amazon.com: Dura Faucet (DF-SA150-CP) Single Lever RV Shower Faucet Valve Diverter - For: Recreational Vehicle, Motor Home, Travel Trailer, Camper, Fifth (5th) Wheel, Towable (Chrome): Automotive
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Well, I LOVE single lever faucets! I have tendonitis and it can really hurt some days to twist a knob - whether it's on a faucet or a door (we have single lever door handles as well). Our kitchen, shower and bathroom faucets have been working just fine for over 10 years.
I absolutely agree that it should be available for folks that want it, but this one in my thinking, should be available as an option and not a standard. The talk seems to indicate it will be a standard.
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I only plan to semi-retire in the near future. Folks do have to realize that custom work is more costly than assembly line type work where everything is standard. I know this will, as custom work on people's homes is what I do. That said, all depending on how factors for doing work line up, I would definitely be interested.
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