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Old 02-14-2015, 01:45 PM   #141
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I don't think replacing the grill is going to be as easy as that. What the mock up doesn't show is the flex pipe attached to the centre circular grill to direct the hot air out...leaving the surrounding vent holes for intake air.
This is a good point. I had mentioned the rotating centre section, but not this connection. A custom-punched metal panel would need a flanged centre hole to match the 5" diameter duct, connected to the duct and fitted with a round grill; the intake louvers surrounding it would need to be varying lengths to fill the space. the result will look essentially like the stock grill, but with punched louvers (like the old furnace) rather than slots in plastic. It's certainly do-able, but it won't be easy.

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Old 02-14-2015, 01:55 PM   #142
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Bob, Steve and Brian - I agree with all your points. It just seem inexcusable that Atwood didn't take advantage of the redesign to make it more efficient - at a minimum in electrical draw if not LP usage.

Especially when they are making Reace go to all this extra work!
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Old 02-14-2015, 02:01 PM   #143
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With U-Shape dinettes in the 21 could the rear bench depth be extended to be flush with end of the filler board and accommodate the heater? For us that wouldn't be a problem as we always use at least one filler board. It could be centered and blow towards the front.

When we turn the heater on it heats up the trailer very quick- really about as fast as the 17's did that was more centrally located.
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Old 02-14-2015, 02:11 PM   #144
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I believe Reace already answered this question. See #116
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Standard residential furnaces have 80 to 82 % AFE ( Non Condensing) so 75 % is not that terrible
Not any more in this part of the world. It's high efficiency or nothing. Mid-efficiency furnaces are no longer allowed.

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I believe Reace already answered this question. See #116
That's not how I read his response; he was referring to the present location. I just measured and it would be 1/2 a filler board to equate the 23 inches front to rear that the nightstand offers.
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Not any more in this part of the world. It's high efficiency or nothing. Mid-efficiency furnaces are no longer allowed.

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Canada' s residential energy code is far more advanced than the code in the US . (IMHO) Minnesota has an energy code named " Category One" which is similar to Canada's " R 2000" but most homes I have worked on do not comply. Our residential energy code is influenced too much by home builders and politics . When I built my cabin in Northern Wisconsin ,I installed R 35 Walls ,R 60 ceilings ,R 40 floors and Low E argon filled windows which the locals found quite strange because there is no building code nor inspection in our county.
Some day we may catch up to Canada.
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I don't think replacing the grill is going to be as easy as that. What the mock up doesn't show is the flex pipe attached to the centre circular grill to direct the hot air out...leaving the surrounding vent holes for intake air.

I painted a grill last night, however it says it need 5-7 days cure for proper performance on plastic. So although I think it looks much better painted light brown, the real test is to see how durable it is. The info on the paint suggests nothing hotter than 93 C. I had one running yesterday for about 3 hrs and the hottest I got the grill was 77C so the paint shouldn't fail due to heat.

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Hi Reace I like the look of the new grill, hope someone posts a picture of it installed on 5.0TA in black for us to see...

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This comment was specific to Canada, and applicable to residential (rather than RV) installations:
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I'm not sure where the claims of "high efficiency" are coming from, since it is unchanged from the previous model and it is 76%; that's poor by even mid-efficiency standards for residential furnaces, and far from what is currently known as "high efficiency" (which is at least 90% and typically 95% efficient). It has not been legal to sell a less than high-efficiency furnace for a house in Canada since five years ago.
I have no idea of efficiency requirements - if any - in the U.S. or for RVs in either country. My point is just that 76% efficiency is not great by modern standards, and not an improvement. It still beats old (last century) home furnaces without draft inducer blowers.
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... hope someone posts a picture of it installed on 5.0TA in black for us to see...
Interesting point. I assume that as the first units of each model reach the interior finishing stage then Friday photos from ETI will start showing the new furnace installation in the other models (in which the location will not have changed).
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