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Old 02-14-2015, 03:47 PM   #151
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Canada' s residential energy code is far more advanced than the code in the US ......
May we change that to "more advanced than some in the US." California, for instance, is almost extreme in some regards.

As has been mentioned, the trailer itself is not well insulated. But every bit helps, including dual pane windows, though they are metal framed. And infiltration (think: wind-induced drafts) is virtually under the complete control of the occupant. Remember, the real target goal originally was to "beat the performance of a tent.
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That's not how I read his response; he was referring to the present location. I just measured and it would be 1/2 a filler board to equate the 23 inches front to rear that the nightstand offers.
I don't know if front-to-back length is the concern, but now I'm thinking it's the problem. The new furnace is 20" long - that's 5/8" shorter than the old one - but it does need 1.5" between it and the inside cabinet face, totalling 21.5". In contrast the old one protrudes through the cabinet face and needs only 20.5" from the inside of the trailer shell to the outside cabinet face. Does the non-U-shape dinette seat have less than 21.5" inside dimension from face to shell?

Also, perhaps the intake/exhaust fitting is a concern, since it would need to sit square against the shell; it is placed differently from the old one.

This drawing from the AF Series installation manual is a side view of the unducted installation (outside of trailer on the left).
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Old 02-14-2015, 03:51 PM   #153
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Hi Reace I like the look of the new grill, hope someone posts a picture of it installed on 5.0TA in black for us to see...

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I thought this change was for the 21' model trailer only, not the 5.0 TA?
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REACE, if you are reading this whole thread, I certainly hope you are chuckling and not shaking your head.
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Hi Reace I like the look of the new grill, hope someone posts a picture of it installed on 5.0TA in black for us to see...

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I thought this change was for the 21' model trailer only, not the 5.0 TA?
All Escapes are getting the new Atwood; only the 21's present location has to be changed.
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REACE, if you are reading this whole thread, I certainly hope you are chuckling and not shaking your head.
.....especially at people talking about everything else except the issue with the 21's furnace being relocated. No other model is affected by this new heater and as such those with 17/19 & 5.0 TA don't have to consider the domino effect on aesthetics or storage.
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May we change that to "more advanced than some in the US." California, for instance, is almost extreme in some regards.

As has been mentioned, the trailer itself is not well insulated. But every bit helps, including dual pane windows, though they are metal framed. And infiltration (think: wind-induced drafts) is virtually under the complete control of the occupant. Remember, the real target goal originally was to "beat the performance of a tent.
Many US states have effective energy code on paper but purposely have no means of enforcement ,so the law / codes are meaningless . I believe raising the efficiency of a trailer furnace from 75% to 90% is a balancing act between initial cost and the cost of operation. It appears that the majority of RV owners are not fulltiming and are mainly camping in moderate weather. Saving 15% on fuel costs is relative to the amount of fuel being consumed. If one consumes only a couple of tanks of propane a year , ,is a 15 % fuel savings that significant ?
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.....especially at people talking about everything else except the issue with the 21's furnace being relocated. No other model is affected by this new heater and as such those with 17/19 & 5.0 TA don't have to consider the domino effect on aesthetics or storage.
I'd like to hear more on the domino effect on aesthetics and storage. I like a good domino effect.
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Yep. See my post #98. They have many styles, like these for example. Sure look better than that plastic grill, although like you, I have no idea what they charge.
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REACE, if you are reading this whole thread, I certainly hope you are chuckling and not shaking your head.
After with what he has had to put up with this last week, he probably will need a good stiff shot of something potent. Having to redesign and keep everyone happy can be pretty trying. Loren
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