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Old 07-20-2016, 12:36 AM   #81
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You can blame that muckraker rbryan4 in post #53 Pat. He started it.


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Old 07-20-2016, 12:38 AM   #82
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And of course that doesn't work in reverse. We were agents for a national wireless carrier and lost some sales to Costco's in store agent Wireless Advocates because they charges sales tax on a made up figure rather than adhere to CA Board of Equalization rules. Despite our protests that practice continues today.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:40 AM   #83
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I know Brian but I think the exchange is in the mix and why not make it harder on them succeeding . Making life miserable . Big business does not have a conscience . I know this is all conspiracy theories .
If all Canadian RV manufacturers gave away their product free to anyone wanting one in the U.S., and ran at their maximum capacity to meet the demand, and all Canadians stopped buying any RVs built in the U.S. (which would nearly mean no new RVs in Canada), the total effect at Thor wouldn't be much more than a blip in sales. Just not much motivation there...

No business - large or small - has a conscience. People do, and they make business decisions. If you make your business decisions based on what makes others miserable, rather than what makes your company succeed, I think you can expect to fail.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:42 AM   #84
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It would surprise me if anyone at Thor even noticed that there are travel trailers made in Canada, let alone care about them enough as competition to lobby for obstructive legislation which would probably backfire on them anyway. The entire output of travel trailers of all Canadian manufacturers is nothing compared to Thor's own output, and even more insignificant compared to the total of U.S. manufacturers.

Agree. Escape is certainly not competition for them.

Don't know that even Casita or Scamp worry too much about Escape because they cannot seem to keep up with their own orders from what we hear. If they had plans for expansion though, Escape could be a problem.

Oliver makes so few units and apparently wants it that way. Escape could be competition for them but Oliver is what it is, which seems so different in the fiberglass world that they are set apart, due to weight and expense.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:44 AM   #85
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I don't agree on the conscience piece Brian. That is an absolute and am a little surprised to see it.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:48 AM   #86
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:54 AM   #87
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Unfortunately, corporations have learned that it's best to stifle the small business before it becomes a large business with a significant following. And, if you can't buy them out, get the Government to regulate them to death.
Aside from the fact that Escape is not of significance to any large RV manufacturer, there's the problem that Escape isn't being asked to do anything special - they just need to follow the same rules and processes as everyone else. In fact, small vehicle manufacturers such as Escape get some favourable treatment, although probably nothing of significance for trailers.

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The Government's edict may be a legitimate one, but it took someone to point out to them that Escape, for one, should be scrutinized.
Really? With modern systems, processing an import means looking the product up in a database, and if the database isn't there then the problem is apparent. In this case, the VIN of each imported trailer should be checked, and for an Escape that check fails (as described in post #14). No snitch needed!

Let's say you decided to make cars, in your backyard, completely "under the table". Your neighbors might hate your factory, the conspiracy theorists might think that General Motors will spot you with their spy satellites and bribe a Senator to create a law against you, but in fact it would all come crashing down as soon as you went to the motor vehicles registration office and tried to register a vehicle without a VIN. No conspiracy, just a working administrative process.
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Old 07-20-2016, 01:11 AM   #88
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I don't agree on the conscience piece Brian. That is an absolute and am a little surprised to see it.
What's surprising? A corporation can't think, or feel, or do anything else like that. It can have rules which encode a set of values or priorities, the people operating it can follow them or not, and together they create a social environment (currently called a "corporate culture") which encourages certain behaviours (such as following the rules or not), and some might call that a corporate conscience... but in fact it all boils down to the actions of individuals. A company can't feel guilty about doing something it knows is bad, because it can't feel or know; the people can feel guilty (or not) because they know (or don't know) that what they're doing is wrong.

Certainly some companies have policies, people, and a culture which leads to responsible behaviour (think: Escape), and others have policies, people, and a culture which reward cheating on every rule and finding ways to make money at any cost (think: Uber). That's a difference, but I wouldn't call it a difference in conscience. Maybe we're just tripping over terminology?

This is a challenge of trying to understand why something bad happens - if you think that companies are people and look for the boogeyman among them, you can miss the more mundane reality of administrative processes.
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Old 07-20-2016, 01:30 AM   #89
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If that's the case, how do you explain stuff that happened ( whatever that was ) when the Canadian dollar was worth $1.12 US?
I don't think Americans spent a lot in Canada like now . Pat
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Unfortunately, corporations have learned that it's best to stifle the small business before it becomes a large business with a significant following. And, if you can't buy them out, get the Government to regulate them to death. The Government's edict may be a legitimate one, but it took someone to point out to them that Escape, for one, should be scrutinized.

Let's hope the issue is quickly resolved and the matter becomes a thing of the past.
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