Polar Cub AC. - Page 2 - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Camping | Places, Gear and Planning > Product Reviews
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-31-2012, 10:45 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: All Escape(s)
Posts: 815
Re: Polar Cub AC.

Hi Cathy

Just to clarify...the newer version of the Dometic 11,000 BTU A/C comes equipped with a smart start capacitor. I successfully ran the A/C with a Honda 2000. I put it through all the paces of starting up under different situations, and it worked fine. It does run into the peak capacity zone when the compressor kicks in, but does not trip the breaker. It would be an issue if the trailer batteries are weak and the on-board battery charger is working to charge them while you are planning to use the A/C. I would suggest switching the batteries off before operating the A/C. Our test had all the LED lights on, and the furnace running. (had to create heat in the winter ) The generator should provide enough power to run basic items in the trailer at the same time as the A/C.

The down side of the new a/c is it is approx 20 lbs heavier than the previous version. (its not the smart start)

Hope that helps

Reace
__________________

reace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 11:34 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Missoula, Montana
Trailer: Escape 19, 2018 on order
Posts: 285
Re: Polar Cub AC.

Reace,

That does help. Thanks for that information. One additional inquiry: what year did you start installing the "newer" version? Yeah, I left all the documentation in SittEscape, which is now in storage. As far back as June of 2011?

Klaus
__________________

__________________
2018 Escape 19 on order, due March 9
2015 Escape 19 (previous): Escape Goats
2011 Escape 17 (previous): SittEscape

Honda Pilot 2011
ksitte is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2012, 12:28 AM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 70
Re: Polar Cub AC.

Hi, Reace!

Thank you for the explanation. Quite a few people seem to have generators so I know it is a resale question, too. I would also like to know what month you started installing the generator-friendly ones.
Cathy
__________________
"Floating Cloud"    2011 Escape 19'
2011 Toyota 4Runner
Cathy, Midwest U.S. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2012, 02:56 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
float5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
Trailer: 2015 21'; 2011 19' sold; 4Runner; ph ninezero3 327-27ninefour
Posts: 4,898
Re: Polar Cub AC.

Ours has the one that will work with a generator and that model was being used at least from the first of August last year.
__________________
Cathy. Floating Cloud
"Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air.... "
Emerson
float5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2012, 02:49 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Vermilye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oswego, New York
Trailer: 2016 Tacoma Off Road, 2017 21
Posts: 2,276
Re: Polar Cub AC.

While I have not tried it with a 2K generator, the model number on mine is the Dometic 600312.331C. I purchased my 17 in April, 2011. If they didn't change the model number I guess this isn't much help, but if they did then I guess I'm good...
__________________
Jon Vermilye My Travel Blog
Travel and Photo Web Page ... My Collection of RV Blogs 2016 Tacoma, 2017 21
Vermilye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2012, 12:48 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: ,, Oklahoma
Trailer: 17B 2017
Posts: 747
Re: Polar Cub AC.

This is an interesting mod to delay your a/c fan to help out the generator amp draw if needed.
http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...mod-20541.html
gocamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2017, 10:03 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
Trailer: 21' Due October 12, 2017!!!
Posts: 59
100 year old AC/generator quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by reace View Post
Hi Cathy

Just to clarify...the newer version of the Dometic 11,000 BTU A/C comes equipped with a smart start capacitor. I successfully ran the A/C with a Honda 2000. I put it through all the paces of starting up under different situations, and it worked fine. It does run into the peak capacity zone when the compressor kicks in, but does not trip the breaker. It would be an issue if the trailer batteries are weak and the on-board battery charger is working to charge them while you are planning to use the A/C. I would suggest switching the batteries off before operating the A/C. Our test had all the LED lights on, and the furnace running. (had to create heat in the winter ) The generator should provide enough power to run basic items in the trailer at the same time as the A/C.

The down side of the new a/c is it is approx 20 lbs heavier than the previous version. (its not the smart start)

Hope that helps

Reace
Does anyone know if this is still applicable?

I'm looking at the Honda 2000 line of generators. There is the standard, then there's the companion version. The standard version is 1600w, which seems to be cutting it close with the AC. The companion version is 2000w. I've read the standard version can't hook up to a 30 amp plug, but the companion can't be used alone, only with another generator??

Which generators do you Escapees have, and can you hook up directly to your 30 amp cord and just selectively run only 110v? I'm mainly looking for AC in small doses, microwave when a toddler is starving after a long trip, and general battery charging if solar suffers from a week in the shade, etc.

(I know next to nothing about electricity, those synapses never fused and I can't ever retain electrical knowledge, so if this question makes no sense, please feel free to educate!)
SouthernCamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2017, 10:20 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2015 F150 Ecoboost
Posts: 7,576
The companion version is for when you want to run two eu2000s at the same time, connected to each other, for a maximum output of 4000 watts. It's called parallel operation, and most small 2000 watt generators have this capability. The reason why there's a 30 amp receptacle on the companion model is that it's designed for use with your RV's power cord. With two 2000 watt generators running together, you can plug in the trailer power cord with no adapter - just like regular 30 amp shore power. You can also connect two regular eu2000is together in parallel, but you won't have a 30 amp receptacle. In order to plug in the trailer 30 amp power cord in such a case, you'd need a pigtail adapter which uses two 20 amp connections, outputted to a single 30 amp connection.

The 1600 watts you refer to is the running output. The peak output is 2000 watts. And yes it's still applicable to the Dometic AC currently being installed in Escapes. The eu2000i will run the AC. This could be affected however by elevation. The higher you go, the less power the generator will produce. Reace's tests were done at a relatively low elevation in Chilliwack.

As far as power cords are concerned, with a single eu2000i, you would just use a 30 amp to 20 amp adapter, and plug in the trailer umbilical. However, I would recommend you use an adapter that has a bonded neutral internally. That way, it will work when the trailer's Electrical Management System (EMS) is on.

Lastly, it's relatively easy for the eu2000i to run the microwave, but probably not the microwave and the AC simultaneously. You'd need more wattage for that - either two eu2000s running together, or say at least a 2500 watt generator. Two eu2000i's running in parallel is alot of power output, and much easier to haul around than a single 4000 watt generator, and thus it's a popular option.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Attached Images
File Type: jpg twins.jpg (116.9 KB, 9 views)
__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2017, 11:55 PM   #19
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
Trailer: 21' Due October 12, 2017!!!
Posts: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbryan4 View Post
The companion version is for when you want to run two eu2000s at the same time, connected to each other, for a maximum output of 4000 watts. It's called parallel operation, and most small 2000 watt generators have this capability. The reason why there's a 30 amp receptacle on the companion model is that it's designed for use with your RV's power cord. With two 2000 watt generators running together, you can plug in the trailer power cord with no adapter - just like regular 30 amp shore power. You can also connect two regular eu2000is together in parallel, but you won't have a 30 amp receptacle. In order to plug in the trailer 30 amp power cord in such a case, you'd need a pigtail adapter which uses two 20 amp connections, outputted to a single 30 amp connection.

The 1600 watts you refer to is the running output. The peak output is 2000 watts. And yes it's still applicable to the Dometic AC currently being installed in Escapes. The eu2000i will run the AC. This could be affected however by elevation. The higher you go, the less power the generator will produce. Reace's tests were done at a relatively low elevation in Chilliwack.

As far as power cords are concerned, with a single eu2000i, you would just use a 30 amp to 20 amp adapter, and plug in the trailer umbilical. However, I would recommend you use an adapter that has a bonded neutral internally. That way, it will work when the trailer's Electrical Management System (EMS) is on.

Lastly, it's relatively easy for the eu2000i to run the microwave, but probably not the microwave and the AC simultaneously. You'd need more wattage for that - either two eu2000s running together, or say at least a 2500 watt generator. Two eu2000i's running in parallel is alot of power output, and much easier to haul around than a single 4000 watt generator, and thus it's a popular option.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
OK so I can use a single eu2000i to run the microwave in short and rare instances, along with other small electric minus the AC? In another instance the single eu2000i could also run the AC as long as we didn't get too high up in elevation? Is it reasonable to say that at a certain elevation the generator could not run the AC at all, even if that was its only power draw?

We will not need the microwave often, I just would like the option. I could not foresee a reason for not being able to cycle off the AC for a bit to run the microwave if I really needed it

If running the AC without other high power suckers, could we maybe run other small electrical such as LEDs, water pump, etc? Could the fridge ever be run from a single eu2000i?

It's good to know that there's an adapter for hooking up a single to the camper. I am not familiar with a neutrally bonded adapter. Is this available commercially for order?

Also specifically with the Escape and the eu2000I, as it's output will be only 110v, how is this managed at the panel? Are you forced to run from only half of the panel at a time? Do you just flip your breakers for what you will not use?

Finally, how does it work if, say, we're boondocking and just using our solar power for maxxfan, lights, etc, then want to hook up the generator for a few hours of AC or something. Can I simultaneously use all of the power from the generator for the AC, while also supplementing with battery power for a few other things? Tina told me today that the eu2000i isn't enough to run the AC and charge the battery at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I can't use the generator powered air conditioner and use already stored battery power at the same time, right?

(FYI We will not have an inverter installed, only a 10 gauge 12v outlet with a portable inverter for rare use. Thank you to whoever came up with that idea on the forums)
SouthernCamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2017, 12:10 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2015 F150 Ecoboost
Posts: 7,576
My responses inline.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernCamper View Post
OK so I can use a single eu2000i to run the microwave in short and rare instances, along with other small electric minus the AC?
Yes, but the length of time is irrelevant.

In another instance the single eu2000i could also run the AC as long as we didn't get too high up in elevation? Is it reasonable to say that at a certain elevation the generator could not run the AC at all, even if that was its only power draw?
Yes, it's reasonable to assume that if you got high enough, the 2000 watt generator would not be able to produce enough power to run the AC. But, that's usually not a problem, as higher elevations are cooler.

If running the AC without other high power suckers, could we maybe run other small electrical such as LEDs, water pump, etc?
Yes.

Could the fridge ever be run from a single eu2000i?
No need - just run it on propane. Works better that way anyway.

It's good to know that there's an adapter for hooking up a single to the camper. I am not familiar with a neutrally bonded adapter. Is this available commercially for order?
Yes, they're generally available. EDIT: the adapter in question goes in the unused 20 amp plug. The 30 to 20 amp adapter is used for the power connection.

Also specifically with the Escape and the eu2000I, as it's output will be only 110v, how is this managed at the panel? Are you forced to run from only half of the panel at a time? Do you just flip your breakers for what you will not use?
The generator produces AC power, but the trailer's converter turns it into DC power for the internal components - except for the AC. There's really no need to turn off any breakers - just use fewer electrical items simultaneously.

Finally, how does it work if, say, we're boondocking and just using our solar power for maxxfan, lights, etc, then want to hook up the generator for a few hours of AC or something. Can I simultaneously use all of the power from the generator for the AC, while also supplementing with battery power for a few other things? Tina told me today that the eu2000i isn't enough to run the AC and charge the battery at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I can't use the generator powered air conditioner and use already stored battery power at the same time, right?
If you're connected to a generator, you're not using any battery power. Everything you turn on is drawing it's power from the converter - just like when you're connected to shore power. The solar panel will continue to charge the batteries, just as it always does. But, to use battery power, you disconnect from the generator.
__________________

__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off






» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.