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Old 02-15-2016, 07:47 PM   #31
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Great resources Donna D. thank you. Jim also pointed out a link in the forum that discusses the rallies. The maps are very good quick reference.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:49 PM   #32
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New question in the 19 or the 21 if we chose to go with the air conditioner would we lose one of the roof vents? Is the air conditioner installed in place of one of the vents?
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New question in the 19 or the 21 if we chose to go with the air conditioner would we lose one of the roof vents? Is the air conditioner installed in place of one of the vents?
Correct, you will only have one vent with the a/c replacing the rear vent.
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:11 PM   #34
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19's are awesome but consider the bunches of 19'ers going to 21's (myself included). Never heard of someone going the other way.

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Your original question included a choice between Escape and Camplite. Before we bought, we looked at a Bigfoot, Camplite, and Escape on the same day. It was a cold New England Columbus Day weekend and on the way to see the Escape, we stopped at a Camplite dealer and looked at several of the Camplites. They felt cold. In contrast, the dealer also had a used Bigfoot that we spent more time looking at than the new Camplites. The Bigfoot was too was too small and the bed was a fold down of the table, but it felt much warmer than the Camplites. We decided in that dealer's lot we wanted a fiberglass trailer. Saw the Escape later that afternoon, and called Escape on Monday. If you are going to camp at all in the shoulder seasons, I'd definitely recommend an Escape.

Our 21 easily takes a big dog on the floor and the little dog on the dinette bench. Just slide the table over, and he hops right up.
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:52 PM   #36
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For sure, the shoulder seasons are "the camping seasons" for us. We've used the furnace in our Escape far more than the air conditioner. For us, the 19 has worked well and we do not see changing in the near future. Most of the time the max fan pulls enough cool air in at night, even on a hot day. During the day, we are outside about 95 % of the time. Under the awning, with a little rain coming down, it's nap time for me.
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19's are awesome but consider the bunches of 19'ers going to 21's (myself included). Never heard of someone going the other way.

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Old 02-15-2016, 10:08 PM   #38
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Your original question included a choice between Escape and Camplite. Before we bought, we looked at a Bigfoot, Camplite, and Escape on the same day. It was a cold New England Columbus Day weekend and on the way to see the Escape, we stopped at a Camplite dealer and looked at several of the Camplites. They felt cold. In contrast, the dealer also had a used Bigfoot that we spent more time looking at than the new Camplites. The Bigfoot was too was too small and the bed was a fold down of the table, but it felt much warmer than the Camplites. We decided in that dealer's lot we wanted a fiberglass trailer. Saw the Escape later that afternoon, and called Escape on Monday. If you are going to camp at all in the shoulder seasons, I'd definitely recommend an Escape.

Our 21 easily takes a big dog on the floor and the little dog on the dinette bench. Just slide the table over, and he hops right up.
Shoulder seasons are our favorite so this is a great point bisonbill. Thank you.
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Having owned and slept in both Escape models, here is my opinion. The bed in the 19, although a queen mattress is really too big for the space, to a point where it is really hard to make the bed, also the bed is elevated to where one can not sit on the bed and put on their shoes or socks. You have to climb over the other person and you are surrounded by 3 cold walls in the winter. The aisles and bathroom are smaller, to where only one person can get by.
In the 21 you have none of these issues, the bed is lower to where you can sit at the foot and put you shoes/socks on, one less exterior wall and a lot easier to make. A lot more storage underneath the 21' bed. The aisles are 2 people wide and the bath is almost a foot larger.
Finally your dinette is looking out the rear 3 windows which normally will have a better view that your tow vehicle. Go big or stay home.....
Having owned a 19 for over 6 years, I must emphatically disagree with your observations on it.

My thoughts on your take on the 19
  • I do not think a queen bed is too big.
  • It was very easy to make the bed. Fold the sheets into place, and it was done.
  • Climbing over your partner is not the best of situations, but necessary to get that big of bed in that size of trailer. Plus, it is not that big of deal at all. We ended up timing our mid night trips so we went at the same time. Easy peasy.
  • Surrounded by 3 cold walls? We never found the walls cold though never slept right against them, and I would venture to bet we slept in many, many more colder nights than you experienced. Plus, do not all these trailer have 4 (cold) walls surrounding you?
  • The bed is elevated due to the floor being elevated under it, the same issue with the dinette seats in the current 5.0 and 21 being too high. I don't think I have sat on a bed to put socks on in my life, I guess I just learned others do. Definitely not an issue for us. Besides, I have sat on the edge of the bed talking to my wife working at the galley lots of times, and don't remember it being that bad.
  • How is there more storage under the bed in a 21, with it being a lot smaller? There was tons of room under the 19 bed, very useful.
  • Though the aisle is 4" narrower, there is plenty of room for two to pass each other there, we did it all the time.
  • If you had a mid-sized or larger dog sharing your bed, for us the smaller bed in the 21 would not work. Heck, our dog is only in our bed for maybe 30 minutes most nights, and even with a queen the space seems to tighten up quite a bit.
And lastly, "Go big or stay home". Yeah, having to sit on my fingers and think a bit, as my first response to that might not be appropriate here. Not that there is anything at all wrong with bigger if it works for folks, but to stay if you are thinking smaller (and many, many folks would not consider a 19 small by any means), that you should just stay home, is very misguided advise. At least in my opinion. Other opinions may vary.

The 21 and 19 are both fantastic trailers in their own right. Even though I was never fond of the bed/bath layout in the 21, I still think it is a model that would work great for many, as it has proven to do. Just as I think there are a lot of people for whom a 19 works better.

Just one mans opinions and observations, obviously others see it differently.
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During the day, we are outside about 95 % of the time. Under the awning, with a little rain coming down, it's nap time for me.
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