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Old 02-15-2016, 10:33 PM   #41
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Nap time

Exactly like that. My back would be killing me after that session, but it would be worth it.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:44 PM   #42
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Excellent counter points Jim.
I will share these with Becky in the morning. I agree they both seem to be great trailers. I think the rear dinette will be as important to us as the bed. But perhaps in the morning I will find out differently : )
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:51 PM   #43
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Having owned a 19 for over 6 years, I must emphatically disagree with your observations on it.

My thoughts on your take on the 19
  • I do not think a queen bed is too big.
  • It was very easy to make the bed. Fold the sheets into place, and it was done.
  • Climbing over your partner is not the best of situations, but necessary to get that big of bed in that size of trailer. Plus, it is not that big of deal at all. We ended up timing our mid night trips so we went at the same time. Easy peasy.
  • Surrounded by 3 cold walls? We never found the walls cold though never slept right against them, and I would venture to bet we slept in many, many more colder nights than you experienced. Plus, do not all these trailer have 4 (cold) walls surrounding you?
  • The bed is elevated due to the floor being elevated under it, the same issue with the dinette seats in the current 5.0 and 21 being too high. I don't think I have sat on a bed to put socks on in my life, I guess I just learned others do. Definitely not an issue for us. Besides, I have sat on the edge of the bed talking to my wife working at the galley lots of times, and don't remember it being that bad.
  • How is there more storage under the bed in a 21, with it being a lot smaller? There was tons of room under the 19 bed, very useful.
  • Though the aisle is 4" narrower, there is plenty of room for two to pass each other there, we did it all the time.
  • If you had a mid-sized or larger dog sharing your bed, for us the smaller bed in the 21 would not work. Heck, our dog is only in our bed for maybe 30 minutes most nights, and even with a queen the space seems to tighten up quite a bit.
And lastly, "Go big or stay home". Yeah, having to sit on my fingers and think a bit, as my first response to that might not be appropriate here. Not that there is anything at all wrong with bigger if it works for folks, but to stay if you are thinking smaller (and many, many folks would not consider a 19 small by any means), that you should just stay home, is very misguided advise. At least in my opinion. Other opinions may vary.

The 21 and 19 are both fantastic trailers in their own right. Even though I was never fond of the bed/bath layout in the 21, I still think it is a model that would work great for many, as it has proven to do. Just as I think there are a lot of people for whom a 19 works better.

Just one mans opinions and observations, obviously others see it differently.
I see things almost exactly as you do Jim B, however, you expressed yourself in a much nicer manner than I would likely have done. There are many of us out there who actually prefer the size, layout, and features of the 19' over the 21'. For me personally, the layout of the 21' is just not appealing and could never be seriously considered if I was ever looking for a change from the 19'. My wife feels the same way.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:57 PM   #44
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For some folks, the right trailer is dragging around 40 plus feet and 15,000 pounds. Big or small, it's what works for you. Loren
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:43 PM   #45
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For some folks, the right trailer is dragging around 40 plus feet and 15,000 pounds. Big or small, it's what works for you. Loren
Prexactly!
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:29 AM   #46
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So as long as the GVWR of the 21 stays at 4500 lbs our TV should be appropriate at least for the relatively flat Southern Ontario trips we would do the first year, then who knows, maybe a new TV is next.
Or, more importantly, as long as the weight of the 21 as equipped stays the same... GVWR is just a maximum allowed weight, and they are rarely loaded up that much. The GVWR could be changed due to something like a suspension change, but as long as the actual weight of the trailer stays the same the change in GVWR of the trailer wouldn't matter to the tow vehicle.
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19's are awesome but consider the bunches of 19'ers going to 21's (myself included). Never heard of someone going the other way.
I think changing down in size is relatively uncommon compared to changing up, in any brand or type. When people do change down - such as after the kids move away - the change is likely to be dramatic, rather than one increment of size within the same model range.

When someone gets a new tow vehicle with more capacity, they may take the opportunity to move up in size. That's very different from replacing tugs to enable one step increase in trailer size, so the size difference isn't trivial.
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why is it easy for an Escape owner to upsize? The Escape trailers are known to hold their value.
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:59 AM   #49
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why is it easy for an Escape owner to upsize? The Escape trailers are known to hold their value.
I likely would have moved up ( in length ) to a 19' but that would also require a new tow vehicle.
Would love the extra aisle width and the four-person dinette, but I already have a 17' and a low-mileage tow vehicle, and it's paid for, and I'm retired.
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why is it easy for an Escape owner to upsize?
Not everyone on this forum thinks that bigger is better; some might even think that the more "stuff," the more that can (and will) go wrong. If ETI had stopped producing the 15 before I had a chance to get mine, I would probably be Escape-less.

And I'm not staying home.

Each model has its pros and cons. The choice depends on individual camping styles and needs.
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