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Old 02-16-2016, 06:44 AM   #51
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I notice that the 19' supporters have not owned a 21, nor were they even in production when their 19 units were purchased, so there was no choice to be made back then. Having owned and used both these units gives an advantage in making observations. In addition Marry hit the nail on the head, Escapes value retention enables an easy transition to a newer model, regardless of size or age. The fact I'm getting a 5th wheel will have certain benefits not available in either the 19 nor 21' models. The Go big comment is a sports metaphor and is no way meant to be disparaging.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:35 AM   #52
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Would those of you who have pulled both a 19 and a 21 please comment on the difference in how the two trailers tow? How much difference did you notice in starting, stopping, handling, maneuverability, mileage, etc? My tow vehicle will be a Chevy 4WD crew cab half-ton short box with 5.3L and 3.08 rear end, towing package and integrated brake controller, rated to pull 6200 lbs. Also, would I need more than the basic receiver hitch to pull either one?
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:38 AM   #53
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I noticed no difference between towing the two. My 21' weighed 3800# over axles and 500# at tongue, the 19 was 425# at the tongue. The 21' is about 6" wider but that did not seem to make any noticeable impact.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:07 AM   #54
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Your truck will be fine, other than gas mileage dropping, check your manual for type of receiver and capacity, I believe mine was 500# t/w without w/d set up.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:05 AM   #55
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19 vs 21

My experience of towing the 19 and then a 21 behind the same vehicle, a Jeep GC with the Hemi V8 is the same as Jim. With the 21 I added clip on mirrors and lost 1 to 2 mpg. Of course we added a larger aisle, bigger bath and don't bother each other if a late night has a call. We use the andersen WDH. We just left Quartzite Sunday and will be in Palm Springs until Monday. There is a vintage trailer display/rally here on Sunday and we enjoy the trailers we used to have when they weren't vintage. On Monday time to head for Tucson so Nancy can see how many of her plants are dead.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:37 AM   #56
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We downsized from a 31' Airstream to the 19' and while the counter space and extra drawers and cupboards and larger bathroom are appealing, they weren't as important as the queen bed. The size of the bed was non-negotiable for us, but for shorter (and narrower) people, that might not matter.

We put our shoes on at the dinette with no problem, and sometimes we use the bed, but frankly I generally prefer the shoes as far from the bed as possible and the location of the bed in the 21 was a big negative for me. I knew that with us (and this would not be the case with more organized and tidy people) our outergarments and fanny packs, etc., would end up on the bed.

I would guess that the bed is easier to make in the 21, although there are ways around that. And climbing over one's mate is not for everyone. Last summer at the beginning of our trip I had bursitis in my leg and that made it a little difficult, but by the end of the trip it was no longer an issue. If climbing is an issue, then a 19 is not for you.

We've backed the 19 into spots where a 21 would not have fit. Parking lots and gas stations are so easily maneuverable that I've been astonished. In some of those situations two extra feet could make a big difference.

The owner who showed us his 19 demonstrated how easy it would be to pass in the hallway and that has never been an issue. And I've written before how much I like the bed with the three windows surrounding it. Cold (and we camped in Banff and Yoho when it was pretty cold) has not been an issue. One of us reaches out a hand and the furnace is on in the morning.

If we were ever to upsize it would be because we were spending more time inside and needed easy chairs (not presently an Escape option). For now and the forseeable future, the standard table with the standard pedestal and standard floor underneath works fine. Terry (who has some arthritis and sometimes has trouble getting comfortable) likes the table and bench seats for reading, computing, eating, etc. I use both the table and the bed for those things.

I don't like the layout of the 21, but that's just me. Obviously others like it just fine.

I also don't think we would tow a 21 with our Highlander, and we really like our Highlander. We are comfortable in our vehicle while towing and that is huge for us.

In the end I think it is a person's size, weight, physical condition and personal priorities that will determine the right trailer.
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Old 02-16-2016, 10:11 AM   #57
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Lot's of interesting comments here. It's been said that no one here downsized, but it seems that quite a few who moved to an Escape from another brand, had bigger before their Escape. I was a tent camper for many years before our 19 Escape. To my wife and I, the 19 has all the room that we need. (or more than enough) We don't have the storage box and find we don't come close to using all the storage that we have. It's all about what you feel you need.
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Old 02-16-2016, 10:46 AM   #58
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There's plenty of upsizing and downsizing. The good news is in this case, there really isn't a bad option. 19's cover the bases very well, 21's maybe a bit better if extra space is your thing but either way, the buyer comes out a winner.

Unlike most (if not all) SOB's, we don't take a huge depreciation hit if we change from one to the other. Advice to the OP: jump in to the one that seems to come closest to your needs.

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Old 02-16-2016, 12:22 PM   #59
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I notice that the 19' supporters have not owned a 21, nor were they even in production when their 19 units were purchased, so there was no choice to be made back then. Having owned and used both these units gives an advantage in making observations. In addition Marry hit the nail on the head, Escapes value retention enables an easy transition to a newer model, regardless of size or age. The fact I'm getting a 5th wheel will have certain benefits not available in either the 19 nor 21' models. The Go big comment is a sports metaphor and is no way meant to be disparaging.
As Joe Friday says, just the facts, Ma'am
Jim untrue we could of had a 21 . Was not interested . We could of had a 17 or 15 as well . Chose the 19 and are very happy with it . Still like campers and maybe a small class C . Those would more likely be our future again if we change . Pat
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:30 PM   #60
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We downsized from a 31' Airstream to the 19' and while the counter space and extra drawers and cupboards and larger bathroom are appealing, they weren't as important as the queen bed. The size of the bed was non-negotiable for us, but for shorter (and narrower) people, that might not matter.

We put our shoes on at the dinette with no problem, and sometimes we use the bed, but frankly I generally prefer the shoes as far from the bed as possible and the location of the bed in the 21 was a big negative for me. I knew that with us (and this would not be the case with more organized and tidy people) our outergarments and fanny packs, etc., would end up on the bed.

I would guess that the bed is easier to make in the 21, although there are ways around that. And climbing over one's mate is not for everyone. Last summer at the beginning of our trip I had bursitis in my leg and that made it a little difficult, but by the end of the trip it was no longer an issue. If climbing is an issue, then a 19 is not for you.

We've backed the 19 into spots where a 21 would not have fit. Parking lots and gas stations are so easily maneuverable that I've been astonished. In some of those situations two extra feet could make a big difference.

The owner who showed us his 19 demonstrated how easy it would be to pass in the hallway and that has never been an issue. And I've written before how much I like the bed with the three windows surrounding it. Cold (and we camped in Banff and Yoho when it was pretty cold) has not been an issue. One of us reaches out a hand and the furnace is on in the morning.

If we were ever to upsize it would be because we were spending more time inside and needed easy chairs (not presently an Escape option). For now and the forseeable future, the standard table with the standard pedestal and standard floor underneath works fine. Terry (who has some arthritis and sometimes has trouble getting comfortable) likes the table and bench seats for reading, computing, eating, etc. I use both the table and the bed for those things.

I don't like the layout of the 21, but that's just me. Obviously others like it just fine.

I also don't think we would tow a 21 with our Highlander, and we really like our Highlander. We are comfortable in our vehicle while towing and that is huge for us.

In the end I think it is a person's size, weight, physical condition and personal priorities that will determine the right trailer.
Except for the pedestal table which we changed for good reason's everything Ruthe has said we would totally agree with . The layout and bed very important for Ruthe reasonings . The length of the trailer also is just right . Any longer where we are parked at home would be a problem . 19 is the perfect trailer for us . No regrets . Pat
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