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Old 02-16-2016, 12:41 PM   #61
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We downsized from a 31'

And I've written before how much I like the bed with the three windows surrounding it.
We too downsized to a 19, as I think many have.

And great point on the windows. While having a rear dinette can be great from a viewing point in some campsites, the 19 has 3 big windows around both the dinette and the bed, and we loved that. We both loved to look all around from the bed before getting up, taking stock on the day ahead of us. That will be a lot more limited in the 5.0, and I am going to miss that.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:00 PM   #62
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Not everyone on this forum thinks that bigger is better; some might even think that the more "stuff," the more that can (and will) go wrong. If ETI had stopped producing the 15 before I had a chance to get mine, I would probably be Escape-less.
Why did they stop producing it? I came to this forum just after that. Not enough sales is what I'm thinking. And that's nothing against those that own one, such as yourself Karen. I can tell how much you love yours from your posts about it.
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Why did they stop producing it? I came to this forum just after that. Not enough sales is what I'm thinking. And that's nothing against those that own one, such as yourself Karen. I can tell how much you love yours from your posts about it.
Economics. It cost almost as much to produce a 15 as it did to produce a 17, and there was way more demand for the 17, and it would be a tough sell proceed near as much. Plus, if there is a better margin on the larger trailers, yet they take near the same time in production, I imagine from a profit standpoint, the larger trailers are better for business.

It is too bad though, I think the 15 is a great trailer.
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On the 19' and the 21', the big feature is the bed and its location and climb over or not. If you can get past that feature in each, it is then on to the bath size and counter and storage space and whether you think the 19' is plenty.

And, yes, at this point, you can sell a 19' or a 21' for about what you paid, so if you want to switch, it is a matter of waiting or buying somebody's used which would be nearly new as far as a 21'. 21's have not been made that long.

We have had both and loved the 19' and love the 21'.
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Old 02-16-2016, 04:43 PM   #65
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Would those of you who have pulled both a 19 and a 21 please comment on the difference in how the two trailers tow? How much difference did you notice in starting, stopping, handling, maneuverability, mileage, etc? My tow vehicle will be a Chevy 4WD crew cab half-ton short box with 5.3L and 3.08 rear end, towing package and integrated brake controller, rated to pull 6200 lbs. Also, would I need more than the basic receiver hitch to pull either one?
I could say that I noticed no difference, however, there is just the slightest difference on turning for the width being another 4". If you have never owned a 19' though and get a 21', there won't be any difference to notice. Can't tell any difference otherwise yet but stopping should have some difference with a few hundred more pounds.

We are talking two small trailers here so the difference is really negligible. The length on a 21' is one foot eight inches more, so unless your driveway is short that amount, it is not noticeable. We happen to have a tow vehicle where the total length for both fits into two car parking spaces. With other TVs, likely not the case.
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:03 PM   #66
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Economics. It cost almost as much to produce a 15 as it did to produce a 17, and there was way more demand for the 17, and it would be a tough sell proceed near as much. Plus, if there is a better margin on the larger trailers, yet they take near the same time in production, I imagine from a profit standpoint, the larger trailers are better for business.
I agree... it was primarily a matter of what model made best use of limited production slots. Also, as I recall Reace reportedly said that it was even more labour-intensive to build the 15 (than the 17), due to the more restricted working space. None of that changes the value of the 15 Foot model to those who find it suitable.

The 13 Foot was discontinued for similar reasons, even though that's the only size of Outback made by Team Trillium Trailers (of the same design as the Escape 13), and they continue to make them... so has always been a market for them.
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I could say that I noticed no difference, however, there is just the slightest difference on turning for the width being another 4". If you have never owned a 19' though and get a 21', there won't be any difference to notice. Can't tell any difference otherwise yet but stopping should have some difference with a few hundred more pounds.
The width alone would mean cutting a couple inches closer to curbs on the inside of turns, and the slight increase in distance from ball to axles would also make the longer trailer track further inside, even if the width were the same. Not a huge difference, anyway.

Stopping shouldn't be noticeably different, since the trailer's brakes just do more work with a heavier trailer.
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We ordered our 19 without seeing a 21. The layout of the 21 didn't appeal to us. A few months before we picked up our 19 I began to wonder if we had made the right decision. Reading the forum posts from people who moved from the 19 to the 21 caused me to doubt our choice.

Then I went back to why we chose the 19. We wanted the smallest, quality trailer, we could find with a permanent queen bed and dual axles. The 19 is it.

When we were at the factory to pick up we went through all of the trailers. I gotta say I don't regret our choice. The 21 didn't seem that much more spacious.

However if I had a truck the TA would be calling to me.

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I could say that I noticed no difference, however, there is just the slightest difference on turning for the width being another 4". If you have never owned a 19' though and get a 21', there won't be any difference to notice. Can't tell any difference otherwise yet but stopping should have some difference with a few hundred more pounds.

We are talking two small trailers here so the difference is really negligible. The length on a 21' is one foot eight inches more, so unless your driveway is short that amount, it is not noticeable. We happen to have a tow vehicle where the total length for both fits into two car parking spaces. With other TVs, likely not the case.
Cathy we have to push the trailer backwards up a hill turn into driveway and push it up another hill go between to 2 block columns without hitting them and it now has a home in the middle following a line in the concrete . The truck gets parked on other side and Subaru is parked on other . To get the Subaru out there just is enough room clearing the front A Frame of the trailer paying attention . With camper it was where truck is parked of course . Motor home also used to be parked there . The truck and trailer are almost 40 ft . The motor home was only 23 ft total and camper half of trailer . There is a sliding gate to cross over too . I really don't want 2 more feet to deal with or 1 foot 8 in . Also more width . We have everything we need in the 19 . Pat
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We ordered our 19 without seeing a 21. The layout of the 21 didn't appeal to us. A few months before we picked up our 19 I began to wonder if we had made the right decision. Reading the forum posts from people who moved from the 19 to the 21 caused me to doubt our choice.

Then I went back to why we chose the 19. We wanted the smallest, quality trailer, we could find with a permanent queen bed and dual axles. The 19 is it.

When we were at the factory to pick up we went through all of the trailers. I gotta say I don't regret our choice. The 21 didn't seem that much more spacious.

However if I had a truck the TA would be calling to me.

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Other than the fact that there was no 21 available when I got my 19, all your other reasoning and take on things is pretty much parallel to mine.

However, the 5.0TA did eventually call me over.
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