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Old 04-05-2016, 02:58 PM   #31
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Who has pulled them all? Or at least three or four models, not counting factory associated people.
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Old 04-05-2016, 03:00 PM   #32
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Who has pulled them all? Or at least three or four models, not counting factory associated people.
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Linda and Pete K maybe?
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Folks ...you know ...there are still some people out here who really ...really ...think the 15 is the best !!!!!
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Folks ...you know ...there are still some people out here who really ...really ...think the 15 is the best !!!!!
Or at least the 15 owners are the best, eh?
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:18 PM   #35
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Who has pulled them all? Or at least three or four models, not counting factory associated people.
There are lots of people who have owned two models (and usually pulled both with the same tug for at least a while), but I can't think of anyone who has owned three. Jim (cpaharley2008) has his third model on order, but changed it (to a repeat model) so that blew the prospect of a three-model owner.
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:21 PM   #36
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Or at least the 15 owners are the best, eh?
You are such a smart Canadian !
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:31 PM   #37
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That's what I'm debating

A 5.0ta or 19 '

I just don't want to feel much drag when I pull

19' Seems light enough eh??


You might be surprised. The "drag" feel you mention is greatly influenced by two things: the frontal area of the trailer and the direction of the wind. There's a remarkable difference between towing our 19 downwind instead of upwind - a difference we can feel in the way the rig performs and also feel in our wallet.

A 19 has a pretty good sized frontal area, with the 21 being the only trailer with a larger one. The 5.0TA actually has a slightly smaller effective frontal area because some of it is covered up by being closer to the truck, and it's not as blunt.

Fiberglass trailers like the Escape are also much better at reducing the effective frontal area than many stick built trailers, because they are more rounded and aerodynamic, and because the gelcoat surface is smoother than others.

To put it in practical terms, we have gotten as much as 18 mpg when towing in a decent tailwind, and as low as 12 mpg when towing into a good headwind. You can feel it in the performance too.

All Escapes tow very well with an adequate tow vehicle. Since you'll probably be towing with a full sized truck, get the trailer you like and don't worry about the drag. It'll handle either with ease.
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:50 PM   #38
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You might be surprised. The "drag" feel you mention is greatly influenced by two things: the frontal area of the trailer and the direction of the wind.
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A 19 has a pretty good sized frontal area, with the 21 being the only trailer with a larger one. The 5.0TA actually has a slightly smaller effective frontal area because some of it is covered up by being closer to the truck, and it's not as blunt.
All trailers are "covered up" to some extent by the tug, and the 5.0TA is covered less because it sticks up higher. If you are looking at how much drag there is at a given speed (and calling it "effective frontal area"), that's CdA...
A = area
Cd = coefficient of drag, which depends on shape
CdA = multiply coefficient by area
drag force = a function of Cd, area, fluid properties, and speed (actually speed squared)
The drag on the combination of tug and trailer depends very much on interaction between the tug and trailer. A box-shaped tug (such as a van, SUV, or truck with cap) could work with a conventional trailer about as well as a pickup truck with a fifth-wheel.

So, the 5.0TA has the largest frontal area, followed by the 21', then the 19', then the 17'. The 13' and 15' were the same as the 17' (unless they were a little lower). The 5.0TA might have the least drag per unit of area (that's Cd), and might work with the tug best... it's not less area, but it could be lower drag force.
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Fair enough - less drag per unit of area. That's what I meant by "effective" frontal area. Although it doesn't actually reduce the amount of frontal area, the effect of it is lessened.

Thanks Brian for the more detailed explanation.
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That's a great suggestion! Heard that there is a 17 here in Boise. Left message & hope to see.
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