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Old 01-25-2016, 04:07 PM   #11
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Rubber does damp oscillations better than inter-leaf friction, so the rubber-sprung Torflex system used by Escape (in all models other than the 5.0TA) is better damped than a basic leaf-spring suspension. This smooths the ride and improves control.

Although shock absorbers are routinely available for rubber-sprung independent "torsion" axles (simlar to Torflex) in Europe, Dexter does not offer shock absorbers for their Torflex suspension (and neither does any other manufacturer in North America of this type of trailer axle/suspension), and the generic-fit retrofit kit from Monroe has not been available for years. Airstream has used shock absorbers with this type of suspension for decades, and since they switched to Dexter's Torflex they have had a mounting tab welded onto the suspension arm (I believe by Dexter at the factory) to facilitate this. Many people have built their own shock absorber mounting brackets, and they are offered for some specific models by a company which has also investigated the possibility of providing them for Escapes (most recently about a year ago).

Although the Dexter Torflex suspension is a premium feature for travel trailers, it is still inferior to the suspension of any car or light truck, so the trailer contents get a rougher ride than you or the cargo you have in the tug. This is why some people have reported refrigerator doors opening or latches failing, and similar problems - all travel trailers have this sort of issue, which has been discussed in this forum, including the topic Any Damage From Driving on Rough Roads?.
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:02 AM   #12
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Shocks for Escapes

Here is an older thread that talks about shocks for Escapes. We had shocks, customized by Orbital Machine Works, put on our Casita, which also uses the Dexter rubber torsion axles.

We did this hoping to reduce the breakage of the rivets used to hold the Casita's shelves in place. I don't know if it was successful. We had 3 rivets break in the 2 1/2 years we owned our Casita. One rivet holding the upper shelf in place broke twice, so I replaced it with a bolt and nut. The other 2 were between the door frame and closet.

Has anyone looked further into shocks on the Escape? Are shocks as necessary with a double axle trailer as one with a single axle?

Also how does Escape hold in place their upper shelves? I haven't read anything about rivets.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:31 AM   #13
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If you follow the "This is friday" thread where pictures are posted of the trailers during manufacture. You can see where Escape will fiberglass in wood supports around the interior for cabinets and other structural reasons. Then the items are attached to these for a rigid and rivet free connection.
In addition the dual axle units ride smoother than the single axle which tend to bounce more.
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:03 AM   #14
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Here is an older thread that talks about shocks for Escapes. We had shocks, customized by Orbital Machine Works, put on our Casita, which also uses the Dexter rubber torsion axles.

We did this hoping to reduce the breakage of the rivets used to hold the Casita's shelves in place. I don't know if it was successful. We had 3 rivets break in the 2 1/2 years we owned our Casita. One rivet holding the upper shelf in place broke twice, so I replaced it with a bolt and nut. The other 2 were between the door frame and closet.

Has anyone looked further into shocks on the Escape? Are shocks as necessary with a double axle trailer as one with a single axle?

Also how does Escape hold in place their upper shelves? I haven't read anything about rivets.
We looked at the Casitas before we even discovered Escape but there were just to many stories of rivets popping on the Casitas. Loren
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:09 AM   #15
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We looked at the Casitas before we even discovered Escape but there were just to many stories of rivets popping on the Casitas. Loren
We weren't concerned with the rivets. The design is time tested, with thousands of Casitas on the road. If a rivet needs replacing, it's easily done.

What we were concerned about was that Casita was not responsive to our inquiries, ignored our calls and emails, and doesn't offer much in the way of personalizing or customizing the trailer. Turns out that was a fortuitous problem, or we would have wound up with a Casita before we found Escape.

Also Richard, as Jim pointed out, Escape fiberglasses in the support structure to the inside of the shell wherever an interior component is going to be attached. Then the interior component has something to attach to, and is simply screwed in. A superior method by far imho.
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Old 04-13-2017, 02:00 PM   #16
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We have a 19' Escape and are pulling it with our 2001 Toyota 4-Runner. It's allowed to pull 5000 lbs. It's doing ok.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:58 AM   #17
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I own a 2008 toyota highlander rated at 5000 lbs towing capacity. Somewhat concerned about the tongue weight of the escape 19'?
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:26 AM   #18
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Our 2010 19' Escape goes camping weighing 3680 lbs. Tongue weight is 440 lbs. Hooked up to our 2012 Highlander Via the standard Escape Pro Tow hitch. We're rated at 5000 lbs Tow and 500 lbs on the hitch. This rig has performed very well for us towing about 25,000 miles including several trips back and forth over the Rockies. You should have no worries with your combination in my opinion.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:33 AM   #19
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I pull a 21' with a FJ. V6 about 240hp. Much shorter wheelbase. It's not going to win any races up a hill but it does just fine in the passes and it's stable on the road. I do use a WDH.
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:45 AM   #20
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I pull a 21' with a FJ. V6 about 240hp. Much shorter wheelbase. It's not going to win any races up a hill but it does just fine in the passes and it's stable on the road. I do use a WDH.
You may be surprised to know that the wheelbase on the FJ is really not that different than the wheelbase of the Highlander or the 4Runner, which are all a bit shorter than the wheelbase of the Grand Cherokee that the OP was discussing.

2017 Grand Cherokee 2916mm wheelbase
2017 Highlander 2790mm wheelbase, -176mm (-6.9") relative to GC
2017 4Runner 2790mm wheelbase, -176mm (-6.9") relative to GC
2014 FJ Cruiser 2690mm wheelbase, -226mm (-8.9") relative to GC

For comparison, the F150 trucks have a much longer wheelbase in the range of 3409mm to 4158mm (depending on cab style and box length), which are +493mm (+19.4") to +1242mm (+48.9") relative to the GC.


There have been a number of posters on this forum who have reported that they were happy towing the 19' with any of the above vehicles.
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