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Old 04-20-2014, 12:04 AM   #11
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You said that the biggest reason that you are switching from your Chalet is the full time bed so perhaps consider the 17A. You give up the bath and shower but the dinette table is right next to the sink and could be used for additional food prep.
I know there are folks that use the 17A and carry a porta potty type arraignment. Just a thought.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:10 AM   #12
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You said that the biggest reason that your switching from your Chalet is the full time bed so perhaps consider the 17A. You give up the bath and shower but the dinette table is right next to the sink and could be used for additional food prep.
I know there are folks that use the 17A and carry a porta potty type arraignment. Just a thought.
The bathroom is non-negotiable. We have one in our current trailer. Not giving that up. Thanks anyway.

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Old 04-20-2014, 12:19 AM   #13
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we have a 17B and sleep the same way as Glen and keep the counter extension up always.
I also have another counter extension higher upon the fridge wall.. Nice night table for glasses and books at night and a place for pots and pans when washing dishes. If we have a lot of company and a lot of dishes I have put a towel on the bed for the dirty dishes...
Our stove has a cover so we use that for meal prep like lunches. The sink also as a cover so when I make coffee in the morning it get made on the sink cover as the stove is in use boiling the water...or making toast.

We do now use a small BBQ outside but mainly my cooking is inside the trailer...

Otherwise I use the small dinette table for a counter--When we have power I have my toaster oven on the small wardrobe.
We don't have stuff laying around. After it's used it gets put away...

Can't remember our tongue weight but when we got our storage box Reace weighed things and we were okay...Bulky not heavy stuff tends to go in our storage box...

I remember talking to someone with a Chalet in Waterton Park and she couldn't believe the weight of our trailer or the amount of storage in comparison to her trailer...
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:24 AM   #14
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"I remember talking to someone with a Chalet in Waterton Park and she couldn't believe the weight of our trailer or the amount of storage in comparison to her trailer..."

That statement could be good or bad. I assume the 17B was lighter and had more storage, but...
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Old 04-20-2014, 08:41 AM   #15
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Oh poo, get the 21' and you'll have five feet of counter space and full time bed, bathroom and large rear dinette. Or, the 5er.. sorta the same specs.

It's tough making these decisions and trying to stay lightweight and small. That's almost an oxymoron. But fortunately there are options in the all molded world. You just have to be adaptable, decide what's best for you and your needs and your tug needs.

Good luck in your decision!
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Old 04-20-2014, 08:51 AM   #16
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Bill, You do not mention your tow vehicle either, what limits does it have?
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:04 AM   #17
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Oh poo, get the 21' and you'll have five feet of counter space and full time bed, bathroom and large rear dinette. Or, the 5er.. sorta the same specs.

It's tough making these decisions and trying to stay lightweight and small. That's almost an oxymoron. But fortunately there are options in the all molded world. You just have to be adaptable, decide what's best for you and your needs and your tug needs.

Good luck in your decision!
Thanks. The 17B seems to closely meet my requirements.

These are my must haves:
  • Bathroom
  • Permanent bed - option
  • Fiberglass body
  • Lots of amp hours - option
  • Dual Propane tanks with auto switch over - option
  • Towable by a mid size 6 cyl. SUV or equivalent

The counter space is a convenience factor - I think we could manage.

The towability of the 17B is the issue that nags at me and will require more research into what people are towing with and under what conditions. We often travel for many hours a day on secondary roads. I want more than just adequate towing. So far I have towed with vehicles rated to 3500# with 350# TW and I have found those numbers seem a bit optimistic.

The extra battery capacity and propane tank are going to increase my weight. And when those holding tanks are getting fullish, what does that do to the numbers? Maybe it is time to move the TV up a notch. Now if they'd only put more diesels on the NA market.... More decisions.
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:16 AM   #18
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Bill, You do not mention your tow vehicle either, what limits does it have?
Sorry. I have crafted a signature with the TV info. It is rated at 3500# with 350# on the tongue. I think those numbers are overly optimistic.
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:57 AM   #19
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The only trailer I have seen other than huge stick trailers that have all your wants is the 21. I can't think of any of the smaller trailers that have really good counter space as well as permanent bed and a bathroom . The spaciousness of the kitchen area in the 21 would be something to think about . Don't forget you will probably have this trailer. A lot longer than the tug. That's a mistake a lot of people make is buying a trailer to suit the tug and not the trailer that suits them and then a tug to pull it.
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:58 PM   #20
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Yes Glen, she thought we had tons of storage and our trailer was lighter than hers!!
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