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Old 06-13-2016, 10:21 AM   #11
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Thanks for the welcome, Cathy. And we hope to meet you one day, Bill.

I double checked my original email from Escape. I had even re-sent a reply to that email for verification because we too were surprised at the numbers, but knowing it was just a computer estimate, we weren't too concerned. After reading your responses today, I emailed ETI again this morning to triple check. Everyone at ETI is so helpful and quick to respond, so I expect I will have an answer this afternoon.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:51 AM   #12
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Thanks for the welcome, Cathy. And we hope to meet you one day, Bill.

I double checked my original email from Escape. I had even re-sent a reply to that email for verification because we too were surprised at the numbers, but knowing it was just a computer estimate, we weren't too concerned. After reading your responses today, I emailed ETI again this morning to triple check. Everyone at ETI is so helpful and quick to respond, so I expect I will have an answer this afternoon.
Thanks John - congratulations on the new rig and welcome to the group
Your as delivered weight doesn't surprise me as its just a little lighter than my 2014 21' was.... my 21 probably has fewer options and only 2 reinforced walls.
I'm more curious about the cargo capacity or GVWR of the new models - Escape is kinda slow to update their website for the redesign.
An increased capacity would be welcome to me, but probably not everyone.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:07 PM   #13
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I am not a very good example of a go light camper, however there are any number of ways to keep your weight down which have been discussed previous. The best thing you can do is get an accurate weight on your camper and tow vehicle and hitch weight and adjust your cargo and tongue weight accordingly once you get it home and have used it a few times in my opinion. I have a great Korean War vintage military shovel. I like the shovel but it's just way (weigh) more than I need so it stays home for example. Pay attention to your tongue weight too. Makes a difference in trailer control especially on rolling two lane roads. Don't let the tail wag the dog. I like to tow level or about a half a bubble nose down on the Escape.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:18 PM   #14
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Thanks for the welcome, Cathy. And we hope to meet you one day, Bill.

I double checked my original email from Escape. I had even re-sent a reply to that email for verification because we too were surprised at the numbers, but knowing it was just a computer estimate, we weren't too concerned. After reading your responses today, I emailed ETI again this morning to triple check. Everyone at ETI is so helpful and quick to respond, so I expect I will have an answer this afternoon.
Hi: J&G... I've found the best way to keep my weight down is "The SlimFast" diet. No need to carry a slab of bacon and a side of beef!!! Alf
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:24 PM   #15
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ETI is so good at answering our many questions! Just got word from them that the computer estimated weights are correct for our 2017 19'. The GVWR is 5000 lbs.
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I don't know what is changed to go from 4000 to 5000 for a 19'. Maybe someone else does.
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Another keep the weight down idea is to buy your beer close to where you camp and drink it all that night. As Miss Scarlet said," tomorrow is another day. Also good Tennessee whiskey straight up will do the job without the volume. Give away your spuds to a Canadian before you leave a Canadian campground. The Americans will just make you throw them out anyway.
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:12 PM   #18
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ETI is so good at answering our many questions! Just got word from them that the computer estimated weights are correct for our 2017 19'. The GVWR is 5000 lbs.
Thanks!
I always thought the GVWR (4500#) on the original 21 was pretty conservative considering it sits on twin 3000# axles, but I understand from reading here that in some states higher GVWR gets you into additional licensing requirements.
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:26 PM   #19
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ETI is so good at answering our many questions! Just got word from them that the computer estimated weights are correct for our 2017 19'. The GVWR is 5000 lbs.
Nice! That is very good news for us and our 2017 19' on order. I was a bit worried about that 4,000 lb GVWR because I know how easy it is to go over. This gives me more peace of mind, and now I can load up on options
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Old 06-13-2016, 04:18 PM   #20
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Just got word from them that the computer estimated weights are correct for our 2017 19'. The GVWR is 5000 lbs.
That explains an allowed loaded weight over GVWR - it's not, because the GVWR is higher than it was. The base dry weight is probably different from the published 2610 pounds, too... maybe by substantially more than the slight frame difference would cause.

This is the sort of situation which I find really frustrating. People have been purchasing 2017 model Escape trailers for ten weeks, and the published specs are still not right. Now the only thing that we can be sure of is that none of the weight or weight rating numbers can be trusted.

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I don't know what is changed to go from 4000 to 5000 for a 19'. Maybe someone else does.
The GVWR of any vehicle is limited by several factors. In trailers, it is mostly the axle capacity and the frame strength. The Escape 19' has two Torflex #10 axles which are ordered with the internal rubber trimmed to suit a lower load than the maximum for a #10 (which is up to 3,500 pounds), and coordinated with the GVWR. To have a 5,000 pound GVWR, they must be ordered for a higher load (more rubber)... likely about 3,000 pounds each (instead of the current 2,500 pounds each).

The consequence of higher rating for the axles means that for two trailers of the same total loaded weight, the one with the higher-rated axles will be stiffer and ride more harshly. If the new trailer is heavier, then that extra stiffness is needed to maintain the same ride.

The frame structure of the 19' is already essentially the same as the 21', so it presumably has more than enough strength for a 5,000 pound GVWR.

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Thanks!
I always thought the GVWR (4500#) on the original 21 was pretty conservative considering it sits on twin 3000# axles, but I understand from reading here that in some states higher GVWR gets you into additional licensing requirements.
Licensing may be an issue, but it is not the reason for what looks like a mismatch between the GVWR and the axle capacities. Escape uses Torflex suspension (axles). In a tandem (two-axle) configuration the two axles do not evenly share load between them, so every time a wheel hits a bump that wheel's axle carries much more than its share of the load; to avoid overloading, each suspension (axle) needs a rated capacity which is significantly more than half of the total for the trailer. Reace selected the axle capacities for the 19' and 21' to properly allow for this, following Dexter's design recommendations; in the 21' this means 3,000 pounds for each axle rating, and 4,500 pounds for the trailer rating.
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