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Old 07-10-2015, 03:10 PM   #1
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Wife and I have discussed what we're going to be doing with our Escape when I retire, and one of the thoughts is,
when we actually get to parts of N. America that actually have water, we'd like to be as close as we can to it. So, what about canoes?
It appears that regulation of watercraft starts at about 10 feet in many states. Comments?

What about inflatable ones?

We'll be exploring/sightseeing or fishing.

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Most states require watercraft licenses and some also require inspection at the state borders for waterborne issues. You may need to research each state's dept of natural resources, or DNR.
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Most states require watercraft licenses and ..... You may need to research each state's dept of natural resources, or DNR.
Jim,
Yes; that's what I generally want to steer clear of, regulatory stuff. So, my prelim. research of several states' regs. pointed toward 10 feet as the magic number where they want a bow number, etc. Oh yeah, and the money.
Sometimes there is information not readily apparent on state websites, that people know of first-hand (the loopholes).
Or maybe there are none, and I should actively look at longer vessels as options. Don't know!

For a 2 person craft should I look at longer ones for stability?

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... some also require inspection at the state borders for waterborne issues...
So true. I fish in Calif. Owens Valley, and we've had to deal with intruders for years.
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Being from BC, I can't comment on USA Regs.
I've canoed, and kayaked, and I much prefer kayaks- much harder to tip, comfortable, great cargo capacity for both an afternoon paddle or a multi-day trip. We haven't fished from our kayaks.
Ours fit on the roof of our P.U.
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Being from BC, I can't comment on USA Regs.
I've canoed, and kayaked, and I much prefer kayaks- much harder to tip, comfortable, great cargo capacity for both an afternoon paddle or a multi-day trip. We haven't fished from our kayaks.
Ours fit on the roof of our P.U.
Andy,
Am I assuming correctly that these are one person kayaks?


Thanks for the info.
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I would expect you would only have to register once, in your home state.
If you go here: Choosing a Paddlecraft - Western Canoeing & Kayaking
you will find resources for choosing a canoe or kayak depending on your recreation plans.
Western Canoe is widely known for their canoes and kayaks and also sell other brands. I have a Clipper Prospector.
And, search around where you live for a canoe club. Long ago I belonged to one that charged $25/family per year to belong and belonging got you free flat and moving water lessons. They organized lake and river trips, so you had experienced and expert paddlers watching over you. Tremendous value.
Learning to paddle your canoe will make the activity more pleasurable and safer.

I had a whitewater kayak once, but found I have an aversion to water dripping into my armpits. I also like to move around, paddling from the seat, or kneeling, or standing, so I canoe.
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In NH you only have to register a canoe if it has a motor of some kind, but you do need to wear a floatation device.
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Whether you must register a boat or not, you may still be required to have it inspected before it goes into the water in some states. Just crossing some state lines with a watercraft requires a trip though the inspection station, even if you have no plans to use it in that state.
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I've taken my canoes all over New England and NY, 12-16', they are not registered and I've never been asked about such. No motors involved. No idea about out west. And yes, we have water, come on over.
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NH, Maine,Vermont,new York! Tons of water!
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Just checked the 3 states that I've paddled my kayak in recently. AK, WA and OR.
None require registration of kayaks or canoes. (Good thing, just paddled up to the Mendelhall glacier and I must have photo bombed about a 1000 tourist photos from a view point about a mile away )

I wouldn't let that issue be a factor in your decision.

Like all things that involve choice there are always trade offs. To me, paddling a 10' kayak or an inflatable one is like paddling a barge. But if you want something that's small, inexpensive and just gets you out on the water they'll do the job. If you think that you'd like to go on day long paddles, not so much.

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I've pretty much paddled every state on the east coast from Maine to Florida and have never had to do anything special on states I've visited. Some states have registration requirements for their own residents. I would check with campgrounds on lakes or rivers in states you expect to visit. I've got 3 different sized canoes for different uses as well as an inflatable kayak. Visit a good canoe outfitter and begin the learning process. Just like learning about the Escape, it'll be overwhelming at first, but will get easier in time.
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Andy,
Am I assuming correctly that these are one person kayaks?


Thanks for the info.
We have a 13', and a 17' kayak- both singles. Both CLC design. Made from okoume mahagony- they weigh 38 and 35 pounds respectively. The 13' weighs more because of it's open cockpit design and width. Both track well, though the 17' tracks better, with a multi-chined narrow hull shape. We've used these boats on both frsh and salt water.
You can google CLC (Chesapeake Light Craft), for their catalog. It is boat porn.
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Thanks much for the info and websites.
Much research ahead, but we've got time.
(Mostly I'm trying to keep my mind off of Escapes, while we wait for our
Sept. hatch date).
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IMO the first variable you might consider in this choice is the type of water you want to navigate. A kayak does better than an open canoe on large open bodies of water with high winds and waves. I like an open canoe in small ponds and slow water streams and lakes as you can change your position to stay comfortable for extended periods whereas you are stuck in one position in a kayak. Do you envision portageing your boat between bodies of water? If so, weight is a consideration. Will you camp? Canoes carry much more gear than kayaks. Lastly, there is the skill set of propelling the boat. As a beginner, it will be easier for you and your partner to control a kayak with double ended paddles than it will be to learn the paddle strokes necessary to paddle a two person canoe. This clarifys exactly nothing for you but these are valid things for you to think about. Demoing different watercraft may help you decide.
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In Michigan there is no need to register a kayak for personal use. Rentals are registered. We have taken our kayaks to Florida and never were questioned about registration.
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