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Old 12-01-2014, 05:17 PM   #11
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Come Spring we are going to spend a day rewiring his brand new trailer just so he can make coffee and toast at the same time. The problem is not with the 30 amp service but with using 14-2 branch circuit wiring and not splitting up the load based on their intended usage.
Don't know why you'd have to rewire to do that. On the 19 the outlet at the end of the counter is on one circuit and the one near the bed is on another.

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Old 12-01-2014, 07:34 PM   #12
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I did some checking and there is appears to be no requirement to meet codes federally or any state. There are DOT regs on exterior lighting etc.
National Electric Code (NEC) Article 551: Recreational Vehicles & RV Parks. If you are plugging your travel trailer into 120V or 120/240V "shore-power" systems, you are to comply with NEC art. 551. Just sayin'.

From what I saw, and what was discussed, when we visited ETI in November, they are compliant with Canadian Electric Code, which is largely in harmony with the NEC.
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:50 PM   #13
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I did some checking and there is appears to be no requirement to meet codes federally or any state. There are DOT regs on exterior lighting etc.

More searching it seems like there is a lot of controversy about it and it appears WA state may be enforcing permits for mods to RVs.

That's how trailer manufacturers can cut costs by doing it however they want as long as it works for the 'average' camper.

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In the US, Article 551 of the NEC covers both Recreational Vehicles and parks. While there is no maximum number of receptacles, it does state a maximum of 5 15 or 20 amp circuits with a 30 amp main. An exception is made that allows additional circuits if there is a listed energy management system rated at a maximum of 30 amps as part of the system.

Lots of interesting information in the Article - hard copies are expensive, but the code is available on line. While the NEC has an on line version, the reader is difficult to use. Instead, I use the Minnesota Electrical Code which is one or two versions old of the NEC (Current is 2008 ), and is available in a wide number of formats.
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Come Spring we are going to spend a day rewiring his brand new trailer just so he can make coffee and toast at the same time. The problem is not with the 30 amp service but with using 14-2 branch circuit wiring and not splitting up the load based on their intended usage.
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Don't know why you'd have to rewire to do that. On the 19 the outlet at the end of the counter is on one circuit and the one near the bed is on another.

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It would seem to me that Ron's solution would work, but if for some reason that is not satisfactory, why go through the time and expense of rewiring. Make the coffee and turn the coffee maker off. Then make the toast, which takes maybe one minute. The coffee is not going to get cold in the time that it takes to toast bread. Then turn the coffee maker back on to keep what is in the carafe warm. If using a Keurig one cupper, the coffee still isn't going to get cold in the short time it takes to make toast.
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This thread really demonstrates the wide range of requirements that people have for their trailers. The OP is concerned that the new Escapes do not have adequate electrical capacity wrt AC current. I on the other hand have had my Escape for two camping seasons, have probably spent 70 nights in it, and have not yet used any of the AC outlets. For my purposes, the Escapes circuit design is entirely adequate.
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This thread really demonstrates the wide range of requirements that people have for their trailers. The OP is concerned that the new Escapes do not have adequate electrical capacity wrt AC current. I on the other hand have had my Escape for two camping seasons, have probably spent 70 nights in it, and have not yet used any of the AC outlets. For my purposes, the Escapes circuit design is entirely adequate.
That may be true, Dave, but just wait until you decide you want to do some arc welding at the camp site, or you want to host a rock concert with all the electric guitars, amplifiers, and monster speakers. That's when you'll realize just how woefully underpowered your Escape is! :LOL

But you are so right. Everyone is different and we all have varying expectations for our trailers.
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That may be true, Dave, but just wait until you decide you want to do some arc welding at the camp site, or you want to host a rock concert with all the electric guitars, amplifiers, and monster speakers. That's when you'll realize just how woefully underpowered your Escape is! :LOL

But you are so right. Everyone is different and we all have varying expectations for our trailers.
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We play guitars around the campfire all the time, just not the type that plug in. And trust me, we have no need to amplify.
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